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Author Topic:   ramifications of omnipotence for God
Jon
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Message 8 of 224 (414605)
08-05-2007 7:50 AM
Reply to: Message 3 by Phat
08-04-2007 11:58 AM


Get the pacman packin'!
sidelined writes:
I would be interested in finding out just where the line is drawn by people of faith concerning what God can accomplish.
Phat writes:
Need there even be a line?
So then you agree that God can do anything at all that He feels needs doing?
how boring to have kids that never have a personality!
How equally annoying to have kids that never break away to become independent.
Besides, your 'point' (if we dare call it even that) is completely irrelevant. Where I work, we all obey the 'Boss', yet each of us has our own personality. Obedience to the same thing does not completely remove the uniqueness of each human being, so your 'response' (if we dare call it even that) doesn't even answer the question. You still have to answer: "if God can...create all men with the capability of free will and obedience to him...then why does he not do so?"
Jon

In considering the Origin of Species, it is quite conceivable that a naturalist... might come to the conclusion that each species had not been independently created, but had descended, like varieties, from other species. - Charles Darwin On the Origin of Species
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En el mundo hay multitud de idiomas, y cada uno tiene su propio significado. - I Corintios 14:10
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A devout people with its back to the wall can be pushed deeper and deeper into hardening religious nativism, in the end even preferring national suicide to religious compromise. - Colin Wells Sailing from Byzantium

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Jon
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Message 15 of 224 (414678)
08-05-2007 5:20 PM
Reply to: Message 13 by macaroniandcheese
08-05-2007 4:10 PM


however, once we learn this piece of information, doing right and obeying god will become so compelling that we don't need to lose our free will to desire and accomplish it.
Maybe, but then what of the reasons that we are often given as to why God refuses to simply come down and show Himself to the world so that we can actually know He exists instead of being left debating His existence in places like EvC? The reason I often hear for this is that were God to do such a thing, the compelling evidence for His existence would be so high that it would virtually remove our freewill to believe in Him”something like, we could deny His existence to others, but we'd still know in the back of our minds that He's real, 'cause we saw Him with our own two eyes.
I think from the Christian perspective, any evidence that is so compelling that we simply have no choice but to accept it as truth removes freewill from the equation.
Jon

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Jon
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Message 19 of 224 (414687)
08-05-2007 6:22 PM
Reply to: Message 16 by macaroniandcheese
08-05-2007 5:22 PM


My post was concerning Christians, a fairly large body of which do accept evolution.

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Jon
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Message 24 of 224 (414751)
08-06-2007 1:01 AM
Reply to: Message 18 by Phat
08-05-2007 6:19 PM


Re: PacMan: Chasing Ghosts
Wow, that's sure a mess of logic you got there, but before we get to that, you will also have to answer the first question I posited:
quote:
So then you agree that God can do anything at all that He feels needs doing?
Jon

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