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Author Topic:   ramifications of omnipotence for God
ikabod
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Message 6 of 224 (414593)
08-05-2007 4:32 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by sidelined
08-04-2007 11:04 AM


Is this not a question about gods motives, rather than any limit of gods powers ,and where does one go to gather evidence of gods motive ??
Edited by AdminPhat, : spellcheck

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ikabod
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Message 41 of 224 (414952)
08-07-2007 5:23 AM
Reply to: Message 29 by tudwell
08-06-2007 2:58 PM


I'm saying that by giving man free will, God has decided to limit his power. Even if he wanted to interfere with man's affairs, he couldn't, because the second he does, man doesn't have free will. He's not omnipotent anymore if man has free will.
the issue is you are thinking like a human , not as a all powerful being .. if you can do anything you can change how reality works so as to fit you desire , thus you can make a reality where man has free will and yet you are still omnipotent .. you are unlimited the impossible does not exsist to you .....
god is not a man with omnipotents , god is god with omnipotents .. he chose to order night to follow day .. he could have picked day , night ,day ,semiday ,day ,night ,night, day ,day ,day ,day , restday , night weekend ..... unlimited means just that .. the fact we can picture how it works is the great unknowablity of god and her/his /their mind/s
this is how god can be good and allow evil to exsist , if god is omnipotent then the answer to everything is god wills it .. end of debate ...
this is where faith and belife come in ,truth and reality(as we see it ) are not limits on god ... god can make anything occur .. it all down to gods motive ....
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ikabod
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Message 42 of 224 (414954)
08-07-2007 5:37 AM
Reply to: Message 34 by iceage
08-06-2007 4:32 PM


Re: Free-will and disobedience
beliefs that don't reflect anything which we can observe, or do not make sense, wouldn't stick around too long.
hmmmm..... the history of religious ideology and theology serves as a forceful counterpoint.
Let's examine something we can probably both agree that doesn't make sense; Astrology - doesn't reflect anything we can observe and doesn't make sense - but has a history of thousands of years
i think here you are forgetting the work of the churchs in keeping their version of religon in the public eye .. grand buildings , VIP religious figure , major political control , setting the social agenda , controlling the writen word ,...these make the belief system very visiable , with out any direct action from the godhead ,eg by making the catholic faith central to the nation states of europe it forced itself to be noticed and it status and beliefs are maintained ..
astrology is a poor example as the night skys always draw our eye .. we forget that with out modern lighting and air polution the night skys are so much more that what we urbanites see today .. just go way out into the countryside or a nice big desret and look at the night sky , its hard to tear your eyes away .. for 1000's of years that has hung over our heads .. astrology has offered a "meaning " to it

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