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Topic: Laws in the US that restrict the rights of Christians
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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law's restricting Christians
well Christians are no longer allowed to burn witches or stone folk working on the sabbath or that eat seafood.
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Re: People forget
Many people seem to forget that Christian brethren exist all over the world, not just in America. And their trials and tribulations make American christians pale in comparison. Absolutely irrelevant. This thread and topic is "Laws in the US that restrict the rights of Christians". Some such laws have been pointed out such as Christians can no longer burn witches. Do you have examples of any others or do you intend to continue to try to palm the pea and change the subject in the vain hope that no one notices?
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| This message is a reply to: | | | Message 16 by Hyroglyphx, posted 09-15-2007 9:33 PM | | Hyroglyphx has replied |
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 23 of 84 (422513)
09-17-2007 2:23 PM
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No response because there can be none
The fact is, there are very few examples possible of "Laws in the US that restrict the rights of Christians" yet they continue to assert that they are being oppressed and discriminated against.
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Laws that target groups directly
To answer your question, there are no laws that specifically target Christians or any other group outright. Of course there are. The Defense of Marriage Act directly targets groups as do any sodomy laws. And Christians try constantly to have other oppressive laws passed to deny human rights to groups they disapprove of. The issue is that many Christians also whine about being oppressed when the truth is that not only are they not oppressed, they work to oppress others.
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Re: bias, oppression and discrimination
Somehow the reverse doesn't work, as people want to impose taxes on churches. I suppose you can actually support that assertion and show how it is relevant to this thread. Even if such a law was passed, exactly how would that restrict the rights of Christians? To be applicable or even relevant to this thread it would have to be a Law passed and in effect in the US.
This country has always been characterized as a Christian nation with a strong understanding that allowing its citizens to choose freely its religious affiliations is the best way to run a society. They fled from religious persecution. The last thing they wanted was to force others, via the law, for people to conform to their brand of religiosity. That of course is also simply false. It is Christians that are currently promoting laws to restrict the rights of others.
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Re: Laws that target groups directly
Sorry, but the Law restricts others. It is Christianity twisting words to force their beliefs on others. If gays are allowed to marry, it does not harm anyone. It does not force the Christians to do anything. It is a clear example of Christian oppression. AbE: missed this:
Since you claim to be a Christian, do you implicate yourself? Only when I do not speak out against the perversion of Christ's teaching that is so common today. Edited by jar, : missed part
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 56 of 84 (428046)
10-14-2007 10:49 AM
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Reply to: Message 53 by Phat
10-14-2007 7:36 AM
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Re: What about the Chaplains?
(Yes, Jar...I know that Pat Robertson sponsors Jay Seculow, but the man has more intelligence than the average fundie! ) The intelligence of fundies has never been the issue. Their honesty has been. Your quote is yet another example of the totally dishonesty of the Christian Right. What is scary is that the audience reading that nonsense does not have their bullshit detectors going off immediately. The basic fallacy is that Chaplains are not forbidden to pray in Jesus name when they are personally praying, exercising their beliefs, only when they are performing their job, which is to minister to their folk in the religious beliefs of the recipient. Chaplains are not Christian or Jew of Muslim. They are Chaplains, and as such their personal beliefs must take second place to the beliefs of those being ministered to. It has NOTHING to do with freedom of speech, and everything to do with their job description.
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Re: What about the Chaplains?
Quite right. I suspect that what upsets the evangelical Protestants isn't issues of free speech or exercise of relgion (hell, when have evangelical Protestants ever been supportive of speech or religion they were opposed to?); it is that evangelical Protestant chaplains cannot use their official capacity to proselytize. Absolutely. The issue is not free speech but whether or not in their official duties they can pitch the woo.
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 61 of 84 (428071)
10-14-2007 1:23 PM
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Reply to: Message 59 by Phat
10-14-2007 12:31 PM
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Re: What about the Chaplains?
The issue, however, is that a majority of those being ministered to are Christians who are giving their lives for their country and would appreciate having Jesus being mentioned in prayers that they partake in. Sorry, but that is simply more bullshit. Those soldiers who are Christians can certainly pray in Jesus name, and if it is a Christian Specific service, the Chaplain is free to preach a Christian centric service. Chaplains though are there to minister to ALL religions and NOT to peddle their particular brand of woo.
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 64 of 84 (428074)
10-14-2007 1:45 PM
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Reply to: Message 63 by Phat
10-14-2007 1:37 PM
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Re: What about the Chaplains?
# If there is only time for a quick group prayer, I can see where the issue becomes clear. What is happening is that the evangelical majority is demanding that only their type of prayer (involving Jesus name) be used since they may die that day and want what they consider to be last rites. This is discriminatory against the minority faction present at that time and place, however. It is once again Christians asking for special privileges. The topic is laws that restrict the rights of Christians but what you are suggesting is that some Christians be given special rights. What you suggest also seems to show once again, the ignorance of many Christians about Christianity and what the Bible says. Did not Jesus say you should pray:
Our Father ...
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jar
Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Message 83 of 84 (428692)
10-17-2007 10:02 AM
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Reply to: Message 82 by Rrhain
10-17-2007 2:57 AM
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Easier method.
This would require, however, that the word "marriage" be stricken from all legal documents and replaced with "civil union." Since there are well over a thousand known Federal laws and ordinances that specify the term marriage and easier method would be to pass one law that simply said that anywhere the term marriage occurred the term Civil Union may be substituted.
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