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Author Topic:   Laws in the US that restrict the rights of Christians
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Message 11 of 84 (421964)
09-15-2007 9:34 AM
Reply to: Message 9 by Lithodid-Man
09-15-2007 4:54 AM


speaking of delusions.
yeah, that's cute, except that the old testament is rife with racism. for instances, all the other people groups who were clearly bastards and needed to die. and then the egyptians who were hung like donkeys. don't forget the "don't marry non-jews" that god himself commanded.
also, people have been holding those of different races as below them for untold centuries. racism wasn't created by darwin. the field of social darwinism invented "scientific" excuses to continue the evil practices of the past against the arguments of the enlightened present.

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Message 22 of 84 (422505)
09-17-2007 1:55 PM
Reply to: Message 21 by Taz
09-17-2007 1:22 PM


Re: Bump one last time by me
it's really a shame, because i was looking forward to some legal discussion.
too bad.

i'm not going to capitalize my posts, get better eyes.

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Message 24 of 84 (422525)
09-17-2007 3:34 PM
Reply to: Message 23 by jar
09-17-2007 2:23 PM


Re: No response because there can be none
One of the biggest complaints that kennedy and his buddies made is that they aren't allowed to elect people who agree with their views. they can, they just have to actually win the election. but that doesn't mean that they can actually pass the legislation they want. nasty thing this actually using democracy.

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Message 31 of 84 (422678)
09-17-2007 10:53 PM
Reply to: Message 28 by Hyroglyphx
09-17-2007 10:18 PM


Re: bias, oppression and discrimination
Eventually a law passed stating that negro's were only 2/3 human.
3/5ths.
Somehow the reverse doesn't work, as people want to impose taxes on churches.
because they're businesses, and some of them are disgustingly successful. since they're not following jesus and are turning profit, tax, tax, tax.

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Message 38 of 84 (423015)
09-19-2007 9:40 AM
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09-17-2007 10:18 PM


Re: bias, oppression and discrimination
This country has always been characterized as a Christian nation with a strong understanding that allowing its citizens to choose freely its religious affiliations is the best way to run a society. They fled from religious persecution. The last thing they wanted was to force others, via the law, for people to conform to their brand of religiosity.
you people really need to stop lying to each other.
http://www.law.du.edu/russell/lh/alh/docs/lawslibertyes.html
CAPITAL LAWES.
IF any man after legal conviction shall HAVE OR WORSHIP any other God, but the LORD GOD: he shall be put to death. Exod. 22. 20. Deut. 13. 6. & 10. Deut. 17. 2. 6.
2. If any man or woman be a WITCH, that is, hath or consulteth with a familiar spirit, they shall be put to death. Exod. 22. 18. Levit. 20. 27. Deut. 18. 10. 11.
3. If any person within this Jurisdiction whether Christian or Pagan shall wittingly and willingly presume to BLASPHEME the holy Name of God, Father, Son or Holy-Ghost, with direct, expresse, presumptuous, or high-handed blasphemy, either by wilfull or obstinate denying the true God, or his Creation, or Government of the world: or shall curse God in like manner, or reproach the holy Religion of God as if it were but a politick device to keep ignorant men in awe; or shal utter any other kinde of Blasphemy of the like nature & degree they shall be put to death. Levit. 24, 15. 16.
4. If any person shall commit any wilfull MURTHER, which is Man slaughter, committed upon premeditate malice, hatred, or crueltie not in a mans necessary and just defence, nor by meer casualty against his will, he shall be put to death. Exod. 21. 12. 13. Numb. 35. 31.
5. If any person slayeth another suddenly in his ANGER, or CRUELTY of passion, he shall be put to death. Levit. 24. 17. Numb. 35. 20. 21.
6. If any person shall slay another through guile, either by POYSONING, or other such develish practice, he shall be put to death. Exod. 21. 14.
7. If any man or woman shall LYE WITH ANY BEAST, or bruit creature, by carnall copulation; they shall surely be put to death: and the beast shall be slain, & buried, and not eaten. Lev. 20, 15. 16.
8. If any man LYETH WITH MAN-KINDE as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed abomination, they both shal surely be put to death: unles the one partie were forced (or be under fourteen years of age in which case he shall be seveerly [*6] punished) Levit. 20. 13.
9. If any person commit ADULTERIE with a married, or espoused wife; the Adulterer & Adulteresse shal surely be put to death. Lev. 20. 19. & 18. 20. Deu. 22. 23. 27.
10. If any man STEALETH A MAN, or Man-kinde, he shall surely be put to death. Exodus 21. 16.
11. If any man rise up by FALSE-WITNES wittingly, and of purpose to take away any mans life: he shal be put to death. Deut. 19. 16. 18. 16.
12. If any man shall CONSPIRE, and attempt any Invasion, Insurrection, or publick Rebellion against our Common-Wealth: or shall indeavour to surprize any Town, or Townes, Fort, or Forts therin; or shall treacherously, & persidiously attempt the Alteration and Subversion of our frame of Politie, or Government fundamentally he shall be put to death. Numb. 16. 2 Sam. 3. 2 Sam. 18. 2 Sam. 20.
13. If any child, or children, above sixteen years old, and of sufficient understanding, shall CURSE, or SMITE their natural FATHER, or MOTHER; he or they shall be put to death: unles it can be sufficiently testified that the Parents have been very unchristianly negligent in the eduction of such children; or so provoked them by extream, and cruel correction; that they have been forced therunto to preserve themselves from death or maiming. Exod. 21. 17. Lev. 20. 9. Exod. 21. 15.
14. If a man have a stubborn or REBELLIOUS SON, of sufficient years & uderstanding (viz) sixteen years of age, which will not obey the voice of his Father, or the voice of his Mother, and that when they have chastened him will not harken unto them: then shal his Father & Mother being his natural parets, lay hold on him, & bring him to the Magistrates assembled in Court & testifie unto them that their Son is stubborn & rebellious & will not obey their voice and chastisement, but lives in sundry notorious crimes, such a son shal be put to death. Deut. 21. 20. 21.
15. If any man shal RAVISH any maid or single womn, cmitting carnal copulation with her by force, against her own will; that is above the age of ten years he shal be punished either with death, or with some other greivous punishmet according to circumstances as the Judges, or General court shal determin. [1641]
btw. if you can't read, that means that you would be put to death for being a pagan or for denying the "true god". i promise they weren't very open in their definition of "true god".
in other words, their first act as a governing body was to restrict religious freedom.
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i'm not going to capitalize my posts, get better eyes.

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Message 42 of 84 (423236)
09-20-2007 1:04 PM
Reply to: Message 41 by Taz
09-20-2007 12:54 PM


Re: Laws that target groups directly
it's a good start at least, i guess. give them the rights and protections now, and the name later.
it's not the best of options, but it may be the only thing we can do right now. not doing anything because it's not the perfect right is like not bailing out a sinking boat just because it doesn't plug the hole. it still keeps your ass from drowning.
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i'm not going to capitalize my posts, get better eyes.

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Message 44 of 84 (423243)
09-20-2007 1:27 PM
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09-20-2007 1:21 PM


Re: Laws that target groups directly
the problem is that our laws are passed by a majority. you have to work with the system to get what you want. we're not appeasing anyone, we're giving them something that gets the job done that they'll actually vote for. little battles work wonders. if you don't give them something they'll vote for, then you get nothing. and something is better than nothing.
i'm not celebrating, i'm saying you take what you can get until we can work harder to change people. remember, the gay rights movement is about 20-30 years behind the civil rights movement. they got a late start. we're moving at a good pace. the solution is to work harder to educate people and slowly make the advances you can. fighting losing battles only frustrates everyone.
besides. this is about two people being allowed to live together and enjoy the protection of the law in the relationship they've chosen. a civil union does that. they get the same rights and protections. we can work on the semantics later. for now, they get to make a legal commitment just like the rest of us.
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i'm not going to capitalize my posts, get better eyes.

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Message 46 of 84 (423246)
09-20-2007 1:51 PM
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09-20-2007 1:41 PM


Re: Laws that target groups directly
The nazis also got the majority vote. Just because the majority believe in something doesn't make it good.
i didn't say it was good, i said it's how the system works. want a different system? buy a large tank and try it.
Will civil union on a state level help my friend live with his partner in a place that they both can have economic and political opportunities like the rest of us?
i don't know. maybe. i'd have to look it up.
I'm saying the improvement is surprisingly staggering at this point in time and place.
i'm assuming you mean stagnating. i feel that way about a lot of things. like for the fact that we passed an international resolution to prevent genocide at all costs in 1948 and have since done almost nothing to enforce it. "never again" continued to be "not my problem". but that doesn't mean that small steps like more resolutions calling people on their crimes aren't worthwhile. i'm not going to stop working and just stamp my feet because no one is willing to create a standing force of troops to enforce human rights law.
baby steps. it was only 2003 that sodomy laws were ruled unconstitutional. we've made great strides considering. it's only been 4 years and people can almost get married? i think it's great. but 59 years and even the jews are restricting people's movements and livelihood based on nationality and religion? that's shite.

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Message 66 of 84 (428084)
10-14-2007 2:56 PM
Reply to: Message 63 by Phat
10-14-2007 1:37 PM


Re: What about the Chaplains?
their type of prayer (involving Jesus name)
a prayer involving jesus' name is an unbiblical prayer.

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Message 68 of 84 (428090)
10-14-2007 3:42 PM
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10-14-2007 3:16 PM


Re: Off-topic comment.
but when he prayed, he ended his prayer glorifying the father. not himself. the son did not come to be glorified, but broken.
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Message 84 of 84 (428712)
10-17-2007 11:36 AM
Reply to: Message 81 by crashfrog
10-16-2007 8:41 PM


i think it's a great idea. it's worked in france since revolution year 1.

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