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obvious Child
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Message 33 of 343 (425745)
10-03-2007 11:17 PM
Reply to: Message 25 by Cold Foreign Object
10-03-2007 9:03 PM


And how do you explain how life wasn't completely annihilated and scoured from the Earth after such a vapour canopy made having oxygen and nitrogen in one's blood toxic and the sheer amount of energy from releasing water from a mile under the mantle poaching everything?
The only things that could have survived such events could be thermophilic bacteria and organisms in completely sealed chambers with feet of insulation.

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Message 34 of 343 (425746)
10-03-2007 11:19 PM
Reply to: Message 19 by TheWay
10-03-2007 7:17 PM


Re: hi, first post
What evidence exists to support this?
Creationist grand claims against uniformity always lack a key argument: proof or evidence that things changed. Changing physics leaves evidence. As no such evidence exists, diluvial geology isn't a valid alternative.

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Message 54 of 343 (426066)
10-04-2007 10:48 PM
Reply to: Message 52 by Cold Foreign Object
10-04-2007 9:02 PM


Seriously, sea shells on the top of mountains is really the least of your problems given the kind of arguments you are making.
1) Water from within the Earth is superheated.
2) Releasing that much water from the Earth would boil the oceans
3) Boiling oceans kills all non-thermophilic bacteria
4) You just killed Noah
5) End of the Story
6) Game Over
7) You Lose

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Message 92 of 343 (426432)
10-06-2007 5:31 PM
Reply to: Message 74 by Buzsaw
10-05-2007 10:16 PM


Re: Mountains lower
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Unless, of course, there was a Biblical flood to do the major uplifting relative suddenly, subsequently gradually slowing as time passes. There again though that's applying reason and logic to what we observe and that's not recognized by conventional science.
How does a flood put everest where it is now?
I notice that none of the creationists were are addressing the heat issue.
Could you explain why they are doing this?

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Message 96 of 343 (426468)
10-06-2007 11:46 PM
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10-06-2007 11:41 PM


Re: Mountains lower
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1. I believe Mt Everest was formed by a collision of two plates, imo caused by flood induced tectonic activity.
This makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. How can a flood move tectonic plates or cause tectonic activity?
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2. Some volcanoe peaks were heat induced. If you are referring to the canopy theory that would be a different topic.
Plates move around 1 inch a year. Increasing that rate increases the heat. To make Everest from sea level in 6,000 years requires plates moving at 5 or so feet a year. Where did all of this additional heat go and how did plates change suddenly from 5 feet a year to 1 inch?
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Message 111 of 343 (426568)
10-07-2007 4:10 PM
Reply to: Message 100 by Buzsaw
10-07-2007 9:09 AM


Re: Mountains lower
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What effect would trillions of tons of additional water have upon the surface of a planet having relatively smoother surface than is observed today with depression areas of thin earth crust and areas of thick earth crust?
No effect. Plates move on seas of magma underneath them and friction between plates. They do not move because of material on top of them. There are already trillions of tons of water on the planet that do not effect plate movement. On that logic, if top weight effected plate movement, the rockies and other mountain ranges should effect plate movement and not be the cause of plate movement. Your argument doesn't make any sense.
Hence why your argument makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.
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Imo, it would cause immense tectonic activity, moving large and small plates so as to create such mountains as Everest. Why do you think not?
Because that's not how plates move. You are implying that a force that is seen no where on the planet can move material below it and force it up.
That has to defy at least several laws of physics.
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Message 113 of 343 (426572)
10-07-2007 4:55 PM
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10-07-2007 4:47 PM


Re: Mountains lower
Especially when the material below it is uniform. If the material wasn't uniform below it, the vertical force could move it diagonally and horizontally. However, there's no indication that magma under the plates isn't uniform.

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Message 115 of 343 (426574)
10-07-2007 5:03 PM
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10-07-2007 5:01 PM


Re: Mountains lower
He's a YEC creationist. What did you expect?
Honesty? Not in their vocabulary.
well, at least he didn't cite Bumgarder's idea, the one he admitted needs a miracle...

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Message 117 of 343 (426582)
10-07-2007 7:34 PM
Reply to: Message 116 by iceage
10-07-2007 7:09 PM


Re: Mountains lower
Does it bother them that they are living a lie?

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Message 121 of 343 (426678)
10-08-2007 12:52 PM
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10-08-2007 10:29 AM


Re: Religious Arguments in the Science Threads
You'd think that would be obvious, but I guess not.
Science and religion are fundamentally, intrinsically different. But I guess people still don't understand that.

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Message 144 of 343 (490170)
12-02-2008 9:05 PM
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12-02-2008 3:39 AM


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