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Buzsaw
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Message 94 of 343 (426465)
10-06-2007 11:33 PM
Reply to: Message 88 by Dr Adequate
10-06-2007 12:11 PM


Re: Mountains lower
DA writes:
Ask to see it. Since there is no corroborative evidence for the bits of the Bible I'm disputing, this conversation is usually quite short.
To go into the corroborative supportive stuff like fulfilled prophecy, archeological Exodus evidence, verifiable history etc to the Biblical record would be to lead off topic. Much of it has been discussed with no positive refutation whether or not you care to acknowledge it.

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Buzsaw
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Message 95 of 343 (426467)
10-06-2007 11:41 PM
Reply to: Message 92 by obvious Child
10-06-2007 5:31 PM


Re: Mountains lower
obvious Child writes:
How does a flood put everest where it is now?
I notice that none of the creationists were are addressing the heat issue.
Could you explain why they are doing this?
1. I believe Mt Everest was formed by a collision of two plates, imo caused by flood induced tectonic activity.
2. Some volcanoe peaks were heat induced. If you are referring to the canopy theory that would be a different topic.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past.

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Buzsaw
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Message 100 of 343 (426507)
10-07-2007 9:09 AM
Reply to: Message 96 by obvious Child
10-06-2007 11:46 PM


Re: Mountains lower
OC writes:
Plates move around 1 inch a year. Increasing that rate increases the heat. To make Everest from sea level in 6,000 years requires plates moving at 5 or so feet a year. Where did all of this additional heat go and how did plates change suddenly from 5 feet a year to 1 inch?
What effect would trillions of tons of additional water have upon the surface of a planet having relatively smoother surface than is observed today with depression areas of thin earth crust and areas of thick earth crust? Imo, it would cause immense tectonic activity, moving large and small plates so as to create such mountains as Everest. Why do you think not?
Edited by Buzsaw, : rephrase for clarity

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past.

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Buzsaw
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Message 103 of 343 (426512)
10-07-2007 9:43 AM
Reply to: Message 97 by iceage
10-07-2007 1:40 AM


Re: When did Lithification Occur during Flood Year?
Iceage writes:
Lithification is the the process of converting soft unconsolidated sediments into hard rock which involves dewatering, void reduction (via pressure from overburden burial), chemical cementation, etc.
1. Until some qualified flood geologists come on board for you science educated folks to debate, about all I can offer is my own opinions based on logic and reason, applying some aspects of science research to my points of logic and reason, so I'm giving you my best shots from what I have to work with so far as I'm learning as I go.
2. You must take into account that the Buzsaw hypothesis of Genesis is not your odinary average Bible-creo version. As I've stated several times in other threads, I am not YEC. I do not take the genesis 1 opening introductory statement as being part of day one, nor do I accept the 24 hour concept of days one through four.
In days one and two we read that light was introduced and that enough water was evaporated from the earth to create the atmosphere/heavens. Imo this light came from the Holy Spirit of God moving upon the waters (as the text says) who was capable of producing the very intense amount of heat that it would take to do all of that evaporating in a relative short but undetermined period of time. Perhaps this is when some of the lithificated rock was formed. This of course would also be a dewatering/dehydration event regarding your argument for that requirement. It's just some reaoning from the top of my head.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past.

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Buzsaw
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Message 104 of 343 (426514)
10-07-2007 9:49 AM
Reply to: Message 102 by jar
10-07-2007 9:34 AM


Re: Mountains lower
Jar, as I thought I made clear, you're not debating a scientist or geologist. You're debating logic and reason. If you demand more, I'm afraid you're not going to get what you want, as we have no resident Biblical geologists on board so far as I am aware.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past.

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Buzsaw
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Message 119 of 343 (426604)
10-07-2007 10:06 PM
Reply to: Message 116 by iceage
10-07-2007 7:09 PM


Re: Mountains lower
Iceage writes:
Most of the YECers i know are honest enough it is just that they have too much investment in their theology and personal lives to really consider different and better explanations that would instigate a revolution in their heads. I believe it is more of being blind (willfully perhaps) then being dishonest.
Thanks for being civil, Iceage. It's not about investment for me at all. It's the corroborating evidence that keeps me believing the Biblical flood record; things like the Nuweiba Exodus evidence, the fulfilled prophecies and the like. Not only that but there's evidence of some version of flood due to evidence like Ballard's Black Sea discovery and I still go with a revised version of Wyatt & Fassold's Noah's ark site. I've seen Fassold's video on TV and Wyatt's stuff on slides etc. I'm convinced in my own mind that the flood happened. It's the science of it all that I'm attempting to figure out.
I understand that there's seven large ones and a number of smaller tectonic plates on the planet's surface, the smaller ones having broken off of the larger ones due to the tectonic activity. Resting on these are the thin ocean crusts, an average of around 2 1/2 miles thick and the continental crusts, an average of 20 miles thick. I see on one site that water has a whole lot to do with forming the continents. I see also on a tectonic globe that the larger longer fractures in the large plates tend to be more or less down through the middle of the larger oceans.
I can't get up a direct link to a book page pertaining to the importance of water but you can go to: http://www.books.google.com/books?isbn=0412530503... and click on "Oceanic Crust" where you click "page 25." I would appreciate any comments you may be willing to offer regarding this information as to how much more a global flood quantity of water would factor in relative to this information.
According to the Biblical record, the topography of the planet's surface was much different than we observe having a much larger amount of subterranian water than at present, these subterranian lakes having been broken up via the flood according to the record. If this were the case, I don't see how anyone can be so sure about how much this could have had in the forming of the mountain ranges and continents as we observe today.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past.

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