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iceage 
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Message 50 of 307 (421317)
09-12-2007 12:45 AM


Circle != Spherical
Didn't want to get whacked for being off-topic and found this shiny barely used thread...
In this post Message 149 pbee states
pbee writes:
When this text says that God sits above the circle of the earth, this coincides with the fact that the earth is circular(viewed from all directions), but that also makes it globular in form.
Couple of thoughts.
1. This would imply that this anthropomorphic God is limited to our 3-dimensional space.
2. "God sits above" What is above in space? Is the north pole or south or in the direction of the sun? Further evidence of a limited earth centric view of the cosmos not a heliocentric or advanced view of the cosmos.
3. The last parenthetical phrase "but that also makes it globular in form" is *not* supported by the choice of word used in this passage.
Is there a ancient Hebrew word for sphere?
If so, why not use this word?
pbee writes:
The Hebrew word "hhug" is shown to mean "circle, sphere". in the Concordance of the Hebrew and Chaldee Scriptures by B. Davidson.
You will have to find this actual reference - I cannot. All I find is some references to a JW Watchtower publication.
The transliteration of this word from from Hebrew to English varies. What I found is chuwg, chagag, and hhug.
None of the concordances (including Strong's) or any of the Hebrew to English dictionaries translate this word as globular or spherical - this appears to be an extra-biblical extrapolation.
What the full passage is describing is a circle of the earth at the bottom of tent - where the tent is a dome or vault with the stars embedded supported by other passages such as ("stretchest out the heavens like a curtain") and ("He stretches out the north over empty space and hangs the earth on nothing").
None of this describes a solar system or any advanced knowledge. Keep in mind those Greeks with their reasoning and observations knew the earth was spherical around 5th century BC and were doing calculations on the diameters of Earth, Sun and Moon by 4th century.

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iceage 
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Message 89 of 307 (426553)
10-07-2007 1:14 PM
Reply to: Message 86 by simple
10-07-2007 3:39 AM


Re: The circle of the earth
simple writes:
The important point is what did the One that inspired the bible mean???
You have the horse firmly hitched at the rear of the cart...
simple writes:
And let's not pretend that you have some evidence He never inspired it.
i suppose the default assumption would be that we would need evidence that it was inspired.
Edited by iceage, : No reason given.

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iceage 
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Message 93 of 307 (426625)
10-08-2007 1:42 AM
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10-08-2007 1:29 AM


Re: The circle of the earth
uhm that is not what I said - perhaps I was not clear.
It is backward to assume the God inspired these words and thoughts without proper evidence. You want to ponder what God said by assuming these are the thoughts of God.
If you are going to try to make this sound like God was zipping around on some flying saucer at 1000 feet don't reply and lets just leave it as is.

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