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Author Topic:   The "Circle of the Earth"
Macuahuitl
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Message 246 of 307 (432700)
11-07-2007 8:23 PM
Reply to: Message 245 by ringo
11-06-2007 5:05 PM


Re: The circle of the earth
I don't know if anyones posted this response on here but theres 17 pages so i'm not going to check
Ok, Isaiah 40:20:
"He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth,
and its people are like grasshoppers.
He stretches out the heavens like a canopy,
and spreads them out like a tent to live in." (NIV)
If God were to side above the earth, he would see a circle. If you or i were to sit above the earth, we would see a circle. I will explain..
- The word "sit" implies that one is stationary (even if momentarily).
- A circle (as used in Isaiah 40:22) is a 2-dimensional shape.
- A sphere or ball etc. is a 3-dimensional shape.
- The common argument against (as in this thread) is that the world is not 2D, it is 3D, so Isaiah 40:22 must be incorrect.
However, this is simply a misinterpretation or lack of understanding of the passage. When one is stationary, one cannot see a ball (or shpere; the earth) in 3D. It would appear 2D, as to be able to see it in 3D would be to see X, Y, and Z planes of the object, which is not possible when stationary for a sphere, (as well as the ball being relatively stationary) as a shpere has infinate number of sides (on a X Y Z (3D) axis model). You follow?
Basically, if God were to "sit" above the earth, he would see a circle. Try this for yourself, look at a football (or any sphere like the earth) when both of you are stationary. You will actually see a circular plane, and will only be able to recognize it is a sphere once you get up and look at it from different angles.

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Macuahuitl
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Message 248 of 307 (432713)
11-07-2007 9:17 PM
Reply to: Message 247 by arachnophilia
11-07-2007 8:40 PM


Re: The circle of the earth
quote:
the word being rendered "circle" in most translations reflects the idea of encompassing something
This cannot be a correct interpretation of "cirlce" in this context, Arachnophilia, because then God could not "sit" as the passage says (one cannot both sit and encompass - unless God was sitting on a moving chair etc. but this cannot be the case as then the passage does not make sense).
quote:
ie: a god over a planet in geosynchronous orbit
I think the earth moves slow enough for one to sit still and not see the earth in 3D. For example, the moon moves around the earth, but we can still sit still on earth, look at the moon, and see a circle.
Edited by Macuahuitl, : No reason given.

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Macuahuitl
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Message 250 of 307 (432777)
11-08-2007 6:59 AM
Reply to: Message 249 by arachnophilia
11-07-2007 10:05 PM


Re: The circle of the earth
quote:
thus, you will see translations that render the verse as "he sits above the circle of the earth" or "he sits upon the vault of the earth." in my post #54 i translate it the second way.
Ok, but my argument is that if God were to "sit" and look at the earth, God could well describe it as a circle, because that is what God would see if he were to sit. Again, to prove this, sit on earth, look at the moon. You will see a circular shape (as long as you can see the full moon).
quote:
this places undue restriction on god, which is precisely the opposite of the intention of the verse. it also limits god's perceptual ability, also not exactly what isaiah is trying to do. by attempting to justify the verse with modern scientific thought, you are essentially betraying the meaning it was supposed to have.
If God wanted to sit. i'm sure God would be able to do it, even if God has no shape or body to confine in - because by definition, God can do anything.

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