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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Now, literalists tend to believe that Isaiah wrote the entire book of Isaiah. It seems to be a bit odd that Isaiah would use a word that has implications of a flat figure when he knew and used later on a word that unambiguously refers to a three-dimensional shape. Unless of course, he really did think that one item was flat while the other was a sphere. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Not if it is the typical Biblical Christian Bling-bling Pimp Daddy God.
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
You are the one that described your God as some little third rate bling-bling pimp daddy riding in da sapphire hoodoo.
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Well some homie drive some sapphire pimpmobile gotta at least be ghettolicious.
But what does any of this have to to with the circle of the earth, or is this just another thread you want to fargle? Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Why would we assume it is a metaphor? And how do we know that our metaphoric interpretation is the same as the author's? When it comes to the Bible, that is a little bit easier task than some of the homework assignments from Mr. French's English class. One nice thing about Hebrew is so much of it is written in a poetic format, where ideas and meanings are repeated, using different words each time to describe and paint a picture for us. We can also see if the passage is a reference to one of the older stories and folk tales of the Bible. But we still need to begin with the plain text. And in some areas, such as the description of the "Circle of the Earth", the intent does seem to be both poetic, but also representing a word picture of the universe itself. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Isaiah lived in about the 8th Century BCE. At that time the most common depiction of the Earth was a flat disk floating on and surrounded on all sides by the water.
The first signs we have of a different model come a few hundred years later in the 6th Century BCE. Unless you can provide some other information, what reason is there to think that the depiction in Isaiah is not similar to the one generally accepted at that period? Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
It replaced earlier beliefs in a flat Earth: In early Mesopotamian thought, the world was portrayed as a flat disk floating in the ocean, and this forms the premise for early Greek maps like those of Anaximander and Hecataeus of Miletus. Other speculations as to the shape of Earth include a seven-layered ziggurat or cosmic mountain, alluded to in the Avesta and ancient Persian writings (see seven climes). source more more Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
So, now we know what other people thought of the Earth then but how does that directly prove what Isaiah thought? Okay, we know that the general view of the Earth at the time was of a circle. Guess what Isaiah wrote?
Isaiah 40:22 writes: 22 He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth, Note: "CIRCLE." Unless you can show some reason to think Isaiah held some differing view than what was common at the time shouldn't we assume the most likely? Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
P.S. I don't think you're going to accept the Bible can't be interpreted literally but that is fine because that is your choice. I find that an amazing assertion and would love someday to hear your explanation of how you arrived at such a conclusion. But what we are discussing here is the passage in Isaiah 20. As I have pointed out and supported, at the time Isaiah 20 was written, the general concept of the earth was a disk floating on water, surrounded by the sea. The idea of the earth as a spherical object did not become popular until many hundreds of years later. So it seems likely to me, that the author(s) of Isaiah used the familiar and contemporary concept of the earth to express a theological issue, the idea of God being above or outside of the universe as known. That does not mean he did not think that the earth floated on a sea and was surrounded by water. In fact, unless some other evidence is presented it would be silly to think he held any other intent. The Bible is not some monolithic work where everything has but one purpose. It tells us many things, in this passage we see both indications of the theology of an era as well as the physical understanding of a people. If you look at the work solely through the eyes of theology, you lose all understanding of the reality of the era, the struggles of a people to understand the universe they lived in. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
However, one must also take into account for the many errors in the Bible. Of course. And one of the errors is that the author(s) of Isaiah saw the world as a flat disk floating on and surrounded by water. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
That is one of the supported theories but I think it is silly to conclude that. So far it seems that that is the ONLY supported theory. If you think it is silly to conclude that, all you need to do is provide sufficient support for some other conclusion. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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jar Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
However, certain people tend to act like they KNOW what they are talking about when really it is ALL theory. Actually, many folk DO know what they are talking about. Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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