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Author Topic:   The "Circle of the Earth"
Force
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Message 56 of 307 (422904)
09-18-2007 5:49 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Chiroptera
11-09-2003 8:47 PM


Re: The circle of the earth
Chiroptera,
I don't know if the link below will help the understanding you have of 40:22. However, it seems to me that after reviewing the ch/vs 40:22, that it is saying: "it is he who dwells above the vault of the earth". The word TENT was translated from "ohel" and also means "HOME".
Please note: I don't like to read the Bible and think that it is a literal communication. Perhaps it would be better to search for the context of this verse.
Bible Search and Study Tools - Blue Letter Bible
CLICK ON THE NUMBERS TO REVEAL THE DEFINITION AT THE PAGE
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Force
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Message 61 of 307 (423066)
09-19-2007 4:28 PM
Reply to: Message 60 by arachnophilia
09-19-2007 4:41 AM


Re: The circle of the earth
arachnophilia,
I think you're taking passage 40:22 to literal. The points to ch.40 are listed below:
Let the people know the fight is over.
Let the people know the Lord is coming.
Exalting the Lord.
Edited by trossthree, : error
Edited by trossthree, : correction

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Force
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Message 62 of 307 (423074)
09-19-2007 4:58 PM
Reply to: Message 57 by Chiroptera
09-18-2007 6:37 PM


Re: The circle of the earth
Chiroptera,
I always find it hilarious when a Bible literalist uses passages from the Bible to prove absurd points, like Isaiah's understanding of the universe. It is my belief that the spirit/s took billions of years, if not longer, just to reveal some information on how things came to be. It is very possible Isaiah had little to no understanding of the universe. In anycase Isaiah's understanding of the universe is irrelavant because it does not support or deny that he was a prophet of God. However, we are all entitled to our own beliefs. I only ask that people be more willing to bend what they believe instead of always being so absolute on topics like EVC. Things of the spirit and of natural Science are not in any reality absolute untill the end.
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Force
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Message 64 of 307 (423083)
09-19-2007 5:26 PM
Reply to: Message 63 by arachnophilia
09-19-2007 5:04 PM


Re: The circle of the earth
arachnophilia,
I am not sure exactly what we are arguing. Are we arguing over what the verse says? or is translated to say? or are we arguing over Isaiah's understanding of the universe? or the earth?
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Message 66 of 307 (423092)
09-19-2007 5:48 PM
Reply to: Message 65 by arachnophilia
09-19-2007 5:38 PM


Re: The circle of the earth
arachnophilia,
I removed the comment because it was irrelavant to the topic we are discussing. Now, I will agree that if we take verse 40:22 out of context that we can learn that Isaiah's understanding of the universe seems to be different then our own(if the translations are correct).
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Message 68 of 307 (423103)
09-19-2007 6:47 PM
Reply to: Message 67 by arachnophilia
09-19-2007 6:35 PM


Re: The circle of the earth
arachnophilia,
quote:
the whole is made from the sum of the parts.
I agree.
quote:
in this case, the particular misunderstanding of the universe is actually a very important image and concept in this verse, and works into the whole context of the chapter.
However, I disagree with this.

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Message 70 of 307 (423106)
09-19-2007 7:05 PM
Reply to: Message 69 by arachnophilia
09-19-2007 6:53 PM


Re: The circle of the earth
bump....
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Edited by trossthree, : error

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Message 72 of 307 (423152)
09-19-2007 11:01 PM
Reply to: Message 71 by arachnophilia
09-19-2007 9:50 PM


Re: The circle of the earth
bump..
Edited by trossthree, : correction

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Message 73 of 307 (424422)
09-26-2007 9:50 PM
Reply to: Message 70 by Force
09-19-2007 7:05 PM


Re: The circle of the earth
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Message 74 of 307 (424423)
09-26-2007 9:51 PM
Reply to: Message 72 by Force
09-19-2007 11:01 PM


Re: The circle of the earth
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Message 77 of 307 (424451)
09-27-2007 1:21 AM
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09-27-2007 1:12 AM


Re: stop bumping
arachnophilia,
Thanks
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Message 176 of 307 (427789)
10-12-2007 11:42 PM
Reply to: Message 88 by arachnophilia
10-07-2007 5:09 AM


Re: The circle of the earth
Arachnophilia,
I think simple makes a good point, and that is, you have no fact, no proof, that Isaiah did undestand or did not understand that he dwelled on a planet(spherical earth).
The passage IS 40:22 simply provides a context as stated in my other posts previously.

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trossthree

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Force
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Message 181 of 307 (427798)
10-13-2007 12:29 AM
Reply to: Message 105 by simple
10-08-2007 1:39 PM


Re: The circle of the earth
simple,
You do understand that the scripture in the Bible has been copied for ages by hand? When I say ages a better term would be millennia or millennia's.
You do understand that the Bible you read today was devised by a council of people who were mostly pagan by heritage?
You do know that the translation you use to understand the God of the Bible is irrelavant?
You do know that there are other scriptures available that can help you have a deeper understanding of our supernatural world?
My point is simply, it is fallacious to pretend that the Bible is a literal communication from a God.
The Bible provides a metaphorical communication that certain things are unwise and some things are wise.
Thus Isa 40:22 is simple, it's a portrayal of exaltation of "God".
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Message 185 of 307 (427806)
10-13-2007 1:22 AM
Reply to: Message 182 by arachnophilia
10-13-2007 1:09 AM


Re: The circle of the earth
arachnophilia,
By reading 40:22 you can't conclude that Isaiah believed in fact that the earth was a circle. We have no idea if, in "fact", Isaiah even used the word "chuwg" because, in "fact", we don't have the autographs of Isaiah.
Edited by trossthree, : wording
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Message 188 of 307 (427813)
10-13-2007 1:47 AM
Reply to: Message 187 by arachnophilia
10-13-2007 1:30 AM


Re: The circle of the earth
arachnophilia,
What's your point? The entire thread is a bunk argument, any debated issues of the Bible are bunk, and debating any context in the Bible is bunk. My point: any understanding one has of the Bible is theoretical.
Edited by trossthree, : No reason given.

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