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Message 54 of 237 (447046)
01-07-2008 8:54 PM
Reply to: Message 51 by Hyroglyphx
01-07-2008 8:21 PM


Re: Bashing Huckabee
It was strongly implied.
i think i'm competent to say what i implied. it wasn't that he was racist, it's that he has terrible policy plans.
What is residential segregation mean?
and yet you say you've read books about black americans.
read the book i linked you to, or even read the reviews of it. use your fucking google. i did loads of homework for you, now you do some.
We have! Doesn't seem to work.
i think it is in fact that we have enacted the wrong policies or failed to enforce them.
The problem is with Hollywood perpetuating this ignorant notion that anything other than thug life bling-bling means you are an Uncle Tom.
i think by "hollywood" you mean white people.
But I say someone need not be shackled to that stereotype. And indeed there are many black scholars and entertainers that want to break out of it. That's also the surest way to know that it has nothing to do with race and everything to do with culture. What I have seen is some liberal accolytes claiming that this type of behavior as being authentic African heritage. LOL! Yeah right! Just like how Kwanza is authentic, I'm sure.
what does that have to do with failing to fully fund black majority urban schools?
Forgive me if I have the ability to read behind the lines. I guess I'm just intuitive.
you mean invent strawmen and argue with yourself.
Brenna, this is a fact. Even in predominantly black schools, there are still minorities of different races attending. You should note that none of them get more money than the other. So why is it that some Asian kid, in the same destitute situation, excels where their counterparts fail? It isn't intelligence. Its culture.
they're just lazy, culturally. i see. also, why don't you demonstrate your claim.
Indians, living in abject squalor, statistically fair better than the richest of little suburbanite white kids. Why? Because their culture has not been corrupted by the slothful, indifferent American attitude that now pervades the country.
actually, i'd wager it's the concentration on actual, factual subject matter instead of fantasies and selfesteem.
Its all culture.
so the only reason there are fewer black female executives than white female executives is because they're culturally incompetent and culturally predestined to be baby-squirting welfare queens?
I'm sure you are going to have some people in real estate try and keep the darker folk out. I personally have never seen such a thing. What I notice is that people in that business want a person who is reliable, who isn't so ghetto that they devalue the entire block. But that has nothing to do with race, I'm betting. I'll bet it has everything to do with attitude.
if you'd read that book i linked, you'd know that it contains actual demonstrable proof of industry standards to keep blacks out of white neighborhoods to reduce the perception of the decline of the neighborhoods regardless of the income of the black people in question.
hell. just do a google search on 'real estate residential segregation'.
Amazon.com
another book.
JSTOR: Access Check(198206)12%3A4%3C415%3ABRSIOS%3E2.0.CO%3B2-J
scholarly article
http://caliber.ucpress.net/doi/abs/10.1525/sp.2005.52.2.147
scholarly article
Just a moment...
scholarly article
http://ideas.repec.org/a/bla/ijurrs/v24y2000i3p616-633.html
scholarly article
seriously. do some work. unbelievable. no wonder you have no idea.
Every one of those things has a legal basis. What you are really advocating, by the sound of it, is a communist society where you indiscriminantly give to people who don't earn, and think that a bed of flowers will blossom out of it. How many failures will it take to prove to you that Marxism doesn't work?
wow. you really do just make up your arguments. do you think maybe i'm really advocating what i fucking say i'm advocating? you really feel the need to make up an enemy to argue with? so now i'm a pinko commie bastard. hell. i thought i was joking. thank you so much for helping me find my place in the world.
and i swear to god, if buz suspends me because i used the word "fucking", i'm throwing a piss fit. it's simple cursing, not "meanspirited" or insulting. i don't need to insult nem. he's already demonstrated a complete unwillingness to learn anything on his own or actually debate my arguments instead of his own.
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Message 63 of 237 (447150)
01-08-2008 9:48 AM
Reply to: Message 59 by Modulous
01-08-2008 7:17 AM


Re: Race policies
I'm not sure that is how affirmative action works.
it's not.
i don't like affirmative action. any choice made by race is a bad choice. but. that's not how it works.
under affirmative action, if you have two potential employees (or students) of comparable experience and qualifications, you choose the one who is a member of a minority.
one of the biggest reasons i don't like it is that it seems to play favorites with minorities. take this. i think, i don't know, that people who practice this principle count multiple minorities, ie a black woman has 2 counts whereas a black man or a white woman only have 1 each. if we have 4 comparable candidates each of a differing ethnicity or gender, do we need to do a chart to figure out who is minority enough to qualify? and what if the white man who applied worked up from poverty but the black woman's father and grandfather and great grandfather were all doctors? it's a hard question, because you can't say just based on color what challenges a person faced, and racially based hiring practices are racist. but all the same, if you hire first on qualifications and second on personality or some other squishy topic, you might end up with an all-white office, and that's not good for anyone. but. there have been studies recently that demonstrate that companies with greater color and experience diversity are more profitable (as are those with women at the helm), so maybe in another generation, as all the old bastards die off, we won't be having this question anymore. of course, in europe, you're dealing with huge immigrant questions, so maybe those will be more interesting than ours in ten years.

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Message 64 of 237 (447152)
01-08-2008 9:50 AM
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01-08-2008 8:35 AM


Re: Race policies
thank you.

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Message 66 of 237 (447342)
01-08-2008 10:26 PM


new hampshire exit polls on cnn
Election Center 2008: Primary Exit Polls - Elections & Politics news from CNN.com
there's some interesting stuff on here. you'll have to click it because i'm WAY too lazy to code in fucking tables.

  
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Message 68 of 237 (447356)
01-08-2008 11:40 PM
Reply to: Message 67 by Hyroglyphx
01-08-2008 11:12 PM


Re: Race policies
Why does he need a specific policy for blacks that differs from whites, or any other Americans?
he doesn't. but he doesn't address the issues that are relevant to them, so why should they vote for him. you're missing the point. it's not about having a "BLACK ISSUES" page, it's about addressing the issues.
Brenna, the law is in place already. Other than prosecuting people who fail to meet this basic criteria, what more would you like to see done? The next option is special compensation.
no, the next option is not special compensation. the next option is fixing the issues in, for example, the funding of our education system. try remembering what's posted from one day to the next.
also, please use lowercase letters for my name. it's lowercase for a reason.
I've responded to several of your posts. Which post are you referring to?
you responded to someone else's post posted after mine about me a whole day before i prodded you to demand that you respond.
Maybe you should live in the ghetto. You sure wouldn't feel sorry for all the people there
yes, and if i actually lived in a country having a genocide, i'd see that the "victim" group deserved it. clearly, they're just asking to get killed. look. unlike you, i'm willing to accept that these are individuals. some don't have jobs because they can't get them. some don't have jobs because they don't trust employers. some don't have jobs because they'd rather sell drugs and "get rich fast". and some don't have jobs because they're lazy. but here's the thing. being "ghetto" doesn't preclude intellect or work ethic or competence or even having, keeping, and excelling at a job. i've hired and worked with "ghetto" people who couldn't keep their phones on and were late occasionally because they had to ride the bus and then walk 10 miles to get to work. i found them to be wonderful employees and phenomenal people and would hire any of them in an instant. why? because i didn't turn them down because of the clothes they wore or the slang they used. albeit, it wasn't an office job. but then if i ran an office, it would run more like that job.
because it would become instantly apparent that many of them have allowed themselves to languish there. Not all, certainly, but a very, very high percentage.
sources, please. i've demonstrated that they're not there by choice. so you demonstrate that they are. oh, right. your google doesn't work.
(including you: I don't have to personally know you, to know that)
please don't assume such things. i don't profile. i distrust everyone in person.
Or did you think that serial killers are just unlucky people?
they are. they have the same personality profiles as police officers. they as likely as not just had different environmental influences.
That said, demeanor and appearance that extends beyond race, is a very important tool to establish reasonable suspicion.
tell me what part of demeanor you can spot at 50 miles per hour on a black man in an expensive car?
If you saw a gaggle of white kids with shaved heads, red suspenders, combat boots with white laces, wearing wife beaters, and adorned with swastika tattoos
i'd suspect they were waiting around for a scene change at a theatre. have you met any white supremacists? they tend to wear jeans and t-shirts. just like everyone else.
Ever check a guy out at a bar, a department store, or a grocery store?
no. i don't tend to look at people. i tutored people in a college lab for 2 years and sometimes had no idea who i'd worked with beyond voice.
So this is the reason why Cubans are successful in South Florida?!?!? I'll let my brother-in-law know.
oh no! you know a cuban! omg my whole argument is shot!!!! sweetheart.
i lived in south florida for six fucking years. i'm well aware of the cuban society there. and, yes. there were professionals who came here and were given assistance to restart their lives. why? cultural warfare against communism. you've already had a response to this saying the exact same thing. they took advantage of the aid and became successful. then their children had a head start and continued to be successful. since then, not only is there the government aid for new refugees, but the established cuban community to provide aid.
if you think anyone helping you makes your accomplishments worthless, that's your own damn issue. considering that, i hope you taught yourself to read and do math and all that jazz since anyone helping you would undermine your accomplishments.
i, personally, did teach myself to read. i feel extra special now. thanks!
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Message 80 of 237 (448169)
01-12-2008 10:28 AM
Reply to: Message 71 by Buzsaw
01-11-2008 9:28 PM


Re: Buzsaw's Supportive Data
a predominantly Muslim school =/= muslim school.
if i go to a school in an inner city and it's predominantly black, was it built specifically for black students and does it teach special black knowledge and only serve special black food and require prayers to the black god? no, of course not. indonesia is a predominantly muslim country. any school that does not discriminate will be predominantly muslim. get used to it.

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Message 81 of 237 (448170)
01-12-2008 10:29 AM
Reply to: Message 72 by DrJones*
01-11-2008 9:41 PM


Re: Buzsaw's Supportive Data
predominantly is a word used to describe demographics. he still hasn't proven that this "predominantly muslim school" was anything more than populated mostly by muslims.

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Message 84 of 237 (448194)
01-12-2008 12:08 PM
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01-12-2008 11:59 AM


Re: Bashing Huckabee
Racism still exists, unquestionably. But that doesn't have to be a convenient scapegoat. In the mind of a liberal, racism only goes in one direction, which directly correlates to the overall perception of communist ideologies. Anyone in a minority status can do no wrong, where people in a majority status are out to destroy the minority.
inventing more arguments for yourself.
You may not even be aware of the origins of your beliefs. I happen to know where it stems from and how it now has infiltrated the mainstream in to the commercials we watch to every day modes of speech. Umwertung aller Werte.
making up more arguments. do share your imaginings.
Brenna, when do you ever actually address what I've said? If I ask you a question, you take it to mean that you needn't answer it except with a question of your own.
i actually addressed a lot of stuff that you asked. of course, you actually never read anything i said.

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Message 96 of 237 (448337)
01-13-2008 12:27 AM
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01-12-2008 5:00 PM


2. He has Muslim first and middle names
no, i believe they are arabic names. don't conflate the two, you'll just confuse people.

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Message 102 of 237 (448429)
01-13-2008 1:01 PM
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01-13-2008 12:45 AM


i figured. just making sure, though

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Message 103 of 237 (448430)
01-13-2008 1:04 PM
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01-13-2008 11:11 AM


oh, so just because you cited this, you're not responsible for this claim? how convenient. take responsibility for your innuendo.
if your parents named you hassan, would you be happy "stuck" as a muslim? what if our parents named you something pagan? does that mean you can't believe what you want? is that like selling your firstborn to the devil?

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Message 109 of 237 (448511)
01-13-2008 8:56 PM
Reply to: Message 108 by Buzsaw
01-13-2008 7:01 PM


you cited it. prove it, oh quoter of innuendo.

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Message 112 of 237 (450277)
01-21-2008 1:22 PM


new article in re Obama is NOT a Muslim
MSN | Outlook, Office, Skype, Bing, Breaking News, and Latest Videos
"I've been to the same church _ the same Christian church _ for almost 20 years," Obama said, stressing the word Christian and drawing cheers from the faithful in reply. "I was sworn in with my hand on the family Bible. Whenever I'm in the United States Senate, I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America. So if you get some silly e-mail ... send it back to whoever sent it and tell them this is all crazy. Educate."
...
There are some truths in the e-mail's details. Obama's middle name is Hussein. His father and stepfather were Muslim. And he spent part of his childhood in Indonesia, a largely Muslim country. But he attended secular and Catholic schools, not a radical madrassa.
...
It explains how as a young man Obama "felt a beckoning of the spirit and accepted Jesus Christ into his life."

  
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