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Author Topic:   How does evolution explain the gaps?
crashfrog
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Message 41 of 59 (45159)
07-05-2003 4:57 PM
Reply to: Message 40 by Jet
07-05-2003 4:35 PM


Re: The evolutionists' same old, same old.
Few, if any, hardcore evolutionists approach this problem with a truly open mind.
You're clearly mistaken about what an open mind means. An open mind judges the merit of all alternatives by the evidence in favor of each. But once that decision is made, why revisit without new evidence? Many of us, Schraf included I assume, judged your bible honestly in regards to the evidence, and rejected it. Without new evidence, why judge again? Are we supposed to do all that work any time somebody with a bible comes up and says "Hey, believe this"?
A truly open mind is not so open that it's brains fall out. Rejecting that which there is every reason to believe is false is not the sign of a closed mind, but a rational one.
On the other hand, creationists like myself understand that the champions of that bankrupt theory known as the TOE are either extremely misled, or at least are willfully ignorant of the Truth.
Truly, an intractible problem. The only thing to do, I guess, is weigh the evidence for each view, objectively and rationally, and attempt to determine which is the most accurate. Scientists, of course, have been doing this all along. I'm not sure the same could be said for creationists, but I could be wrong.
The TOE is a fallacy, is most surely not scientific, at least not in total, and every day more scientists are becoming aware that the TOE is a dead end road. As to the rest of your post, it is obvious to me that you are blinded to any Truths revealed that do not fully support your position, regardless of the mountains of evidence that refute the TOE in part, and in whole.
You know, every other creationist talks about the same "mountains of evidence", but none to my knowledge have presented any that they have been able to succesfully defend. Maybe you'd care to be the first?
Anyway, your view of the scientific community is nieve at best. If the ToE could be seriously, scientifically disproved, they'd hand the person that did it the Nobel Prize. There's no better way to get famous in science than by overturning paradigms.
Soory about being "blind", I guess we're blinded by the evidence. Hard stuff to ignore, that evidence. Unless, of course, you're a creationist.
It is most interesting to watch any of the numerous BBC programs concerning evolution and listen to the claims made therein that could never be falsified scientifically.
You may or may not be aware that the "science" presented on TV is not presented for scientific edification, but rather for entertainment. The claims of the BBC or any other media conglomerate do not represent the same caliber of knowledge as published, scientific theory. In the same way that Jerry Falwell does not represent the views of all believers, the BBC does not represent the claims of all science.

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crashfrog
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Message 52 of 59 (45237)
07-06-2003 6:29 PM
Reply to: Message 46 by Jet
07-06-2003 5:05 PM


We all know of the evidence that favors Biblical accounts of past events over the TOE.
I'm actually not - could you enlighten me? As far as I know, Biblical accounts are no more accurate than any other mythological account, which is to say not very.
Sedimentary layers that are separated by oceans and yet match up perfectly.
That's evidence against a biblical flood and for plate tectonics. I don't understand why you mention this in support of your views.
Animals and insects that totally defy the idea of evolution, and in fact prove to be an impossibility according to the tenets of the TOE. [Please don't play the ignorant card and ask me to name that with which you are already, or at least should be, familiar. That's assuming that you are one of the few honest and truly open minded evolutionists.]
What an incredible dodge! You've just made it patently obvious you don't know what you're talking about. Look, we're having a discussion about evidence. That means you either have to provide evidence or shut up.
As I stated in previous posts, both evolutionists and creationists prefer accepting evidence that supposedly supports their views while rejecting evidence that obviously contradicts their views.
You have to present evidence first before you can accuse people of ignoring it. Time to provide some evidence that you claim contradicts evolution. Tell ya what, I'll make you a deal. I promise, that if you can present some evidence for creatinist views that's beyond reproach or refutation I'll become a creationist. Seriously. I promise.
I simply pointed out a single example of the attempts to indoctrinate the very young into a mindset that accepts the TOE as an established fact, which it most surely is not.
Let me ask you this - if a program hoped to present the current majority of scientific thought on the origin of species, why would it be inappropriate to present the theory of evolution? By your own apparent admission it's what the majority of scientists think. I think you're enough of a media consumer to realize that nothing on TV is presented as "established fact" any more than anything else. Ever watch Fox News?
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crashfrog
Member (Idle past 1497 days)
Posts: 19762
From: Silver Spring, MD
Joined: 03-20-2003


Message 53 of 59 (45238)
07-06-2003 6:33 PM
Reply to: Message 51 by Jet
07-06-2003 5:12 PM


Re: The evolutionists' same old, same old.
Well, I do appreciate the fact that you are at least willing to admit that the TOE is in fact a "dead end".
Funny how that worked out!
Are you illiterate, or just disingenuous? Either way does not bode well for a rational discussion with you.
You may or may not be aware that SPLx has not admitted anything of the sort, but was merely quoting your own words to you, in response to your denial of having said them. Your response is an infantile playground game.
So, on one hand, you're unable to read, or on another you're apparently a liar. Is this how you witness for your god?
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