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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
I do not think you have explained anything at all, actually. Perhaps I am just having trouble understanding, so please repeat your explanation, if you would be so kind.
To repeat, I want to know how to tell the difference between a natural system that we don't understand yet, or do not have the ability to understand, and on that has been Intelligently Designed. Why not pick a system that you believe is Intelligently Designed, and then explain, in dettail, exactly how you know that we will never be able to find a naturalistic explanation for it at any time in the future, and also explain exactly how you know that we are not just unable, through lack of technology or intelligence, able to understand it? I mean, in order for you to even CLAIM that anything has been Intelligently Designed in the first place, you must, by definition, have some way or method of telling these two groups apart, right? So, it should be easy for you.
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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: No, I don't miss anything in this case. You justcan't admit you are wrong. How very scientific of you.
quote: More hot air.
quote: Look, how many freaking times do you have to be told that the SCOPE OF THE TOE DOES NOT COVER THE ORIGINS OF LIFE AND NEVER, EVER HAS SINCE IT'S INCEPTION?
quote: Don't start with this nonsense again, please.
quote: You are stubborn, aren't you? Please show me any definition from any Biology textbook, or even from Origin, that includes ANYTHING about the origin of life being included in the ToE. If you can't then please, stop re-erecting this long-torn down strawman that the ToE is at fault because it doesn't explain something it NEVER CLAIMED TO EXPLAIN. Do you fault Chemistry for not explaining where the elements come from? Answer the question. Yes or no will suffice.
quote: So, do you accept that to fault the ToE for not explaining life's origins is inappropriate? Yes or no will suffice.
quote: They are the same scientific methods used in most other observational sciences. Here's a brief primer: science - The Skeptic's Dictionary - Skepdic.com
quote: That is a very tall order. You are basically asking me to provide you with the equivilant of the information someone would get in earning an undergraduate Biology degree. I have a better idea. Why don't you go read, study, and understand every last bit of information on the TalkOrigins website? That will go a long way towards providing you with the information you have asked for. TalkOrigins Archive: Exploring the Creation/Evolution Controversy
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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: How about bacteria, or some other single-celled animal? They have been around in one form or another for almost as long as life has existed. OTOH, Nobody, anywhaere has claimed that Biology has all knowledge. We do have a great deal of information upon which to base our current understanding, and the ToE has fared at least as well over the years than most scientific theories of similar scope. Are you doubting Biology because we don't have perfect knowledge we never claimed to have in the first place? Why?
quote: Bull. The ToE is based upon testable hypothese, has positive evidence to confirm it, and is falsifiable, so it is quite scientific. Please explain how hundereds of thousands of professional scientists would continue to persue an unscientific theory. Also explain how modern medicine makes any advances at all considering that, according to you Biology is based on an unscientific theory.
quote: I have no revulsion at the idea. I simply reject it as a scientific idea. As it is a religious one, it is in the same category as any other religious idea; IOW, they all have the same amount of evidence...zero.
quote: Are you comfortable with the idea that "Physicsa did it", even though you are not able to understand or explain all of the where's and why's of gravity? Yes or no will suffice.
quote: Um, right.
quote: Link to any legitimate site which provides any evidence for this in the least, please, or stop making the claim.
quote: Hot air.
quote: Guess what? You are going to die eventually, too, and nobody actually knows what happens after. You hope your belief is the right one, but you can only believe. You don't actually KNOW.
quote: Actually, I don't know what happens after death. Neither does anyone else. Anybody who says otherwise is just afraid of death.
quote: If being a Christian like you, Jet, means that I would have to take my brains out and reject what I can see with my own two eyes and think with my mind, then no thanks. You constantly ignore my direct questions and instead abuse and preach. BTW, you still haven't told me how we can tell the difference between a system which is Intelligently Designed and a natural one which we haven't figured out yet or may not ever figure out?
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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: ...um, let me guess. He didn't know because it was lifted from a Creationist site which misquotes to change meaning as a matter of course.
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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
Jet,
So, that Creation 'science' Institue that you are doing research for...don't they have computers and internet access? Anyway, I notice that, true to form, you avoid my direct questions, even one which would only have required a yes or no answer. For your convenience, I'll repeat them here: Are you doubting Biology because we don't have perfect knowledge we never claimed to have in the first place? Why?
quote: I have no revulsion at the idea. I simply reject it as a scientific idea. As it is a religious one, it is in the same category as any other religious idea; IOW, they all have the same amount of evidence...zero. Are you comfortable with the idea that "Physics did it", even though you are not able to understand or explain all of the where's and why's of gravity? Yes or no will suffice.
quote: Link to any legitimate site which provides any evidence for this in the least, please, or stop making the claim. BTW, you still haven't told me how we can tell the difference between a system which is Intelligently Designed and a natural one which we haven't figured out yet or may not ever figure out? From your current post:
quote: Really? So, again I ask you, how is it that Medical Science is able to progress in the least if the ToE is a useless theory, as the foundations of Biology and Genetics are in large part based upon the ToE?
quote: According to the most current information I could find, the percentage of scientists with legitimate credentials who give credence to Creation 'science' is 0.14%. Beliefs of the U.S. public about evolution and creation Perhaps you would like to back up your claim that "more and more" scientists are turning away from the ToE in favor of religious explanations?
quote: Show me the mountains of evidence, Jet. Show me. Right now. I'm waiting anxiously. I'm waiting. Before you do that, however, some answers to the questions you decided to avoid answering the first time, please. ------------------"Evolution is a 'theory', just like gravity. If you don't like it, go jump off a bridge."
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nator Member (Idle past 2200 days) Posts: 12961 From: Ann Arbor Joined: |
quote: Gee, and here I thought you were going to educate me with these mountains of evidence. How can I be willfully ignorant if I have not been presented with any evidence to ignore? LOL!
quote: You thought I was trying to veil anything? Hmm, my bad. Seriously, though, you are the one who said you were doing this secret important research. You, not me, you. It seems pretty lame to get pissy with me just because you don't like being reminded of something you chose to put out there all by yourself. You did it, so now you're paying for it.
quote: So, you don't blame Biology for not having perfect knowledge? So, what did you mean when you said this in message #14:
quote: It seems to me that you were criticizing Biology for not having a perfect progression of fossil evidence for a single species. Why do you believe that not having this kind of perfect evidence harms the ToE?
quote: So, you are NOT comfortable with the idea that "Physicsdidit" even though you are not able to understand or explain all of the where's and why's of gravity? So, you doubt that gravity exists because we do not fully understand it? Interesting.
quote: Actually, you skipped number three, which was a request for a link to a legitimate site which backed up your assertion that the ToE is based in pagan religious practice. If the question you were answering was, "How can can tell the difference between a system which is Intelligently Designed and a natural one which we haven't figured out yet or may not ever figure out?", then you must not realize that I want to understand much more deeply. Your throwaway, contentless reply is unconvincing, to say the least. Can you give me a specific example of any biological system, explaining how it has been intelligently designed, and how you know for sure that it could not have arisen naturally? You must also address the issue of our possibly not having the intelligence to understand some things, as our intelligence is not boundless.
quote: No, but the ToE is currently a very large foundational aspect of both fields. Now please answer my question; given the importance of Evolutionary Theory in the fields of Genetics and Biology, how is it that Medical Science has progressed as it has if the ToE is completely wrong?
quote: You are right, I extrapolated the, "in favor of religious explanations" from your statement, an understandable mistake, considering your Creationist position. However, I will alter my request to the following: "Perhaps you would like to back up your claim that "more and more" scientists are turning away from the ToE?" That will suffice.
quote: I didn't find any "mountains of evidence" of any flavor in post #40. Perhaps you could cut n paste the "mountain of evidence" from that post which I am obviously missing? ------------------"Evolution is a 'theory', just like gravity. If you don't like it, go jump off a bridge."
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