The infinite space of the Universe

I was reading about a space curvature model done by Edwin Shasteen which he sees as a possible explanation for the appearance of space curvature (abe: and which he sees as supportive of infinite unbounded space.) I'm wondering what you or others think about it.Abe: This was meant for a response to Son Goku's message 269: Edited by Buzsaw, : as indicated in textEdited by Buzsaw, : Add phrase

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

1. I'm not claiming the status of theory for my positions as I understand the requirements for theory.2. My position on this is that something/force/etc occupying space is responsible for all that is observed. As I have repeatedly needed to remind, imo, the only property of space is existing static unbounded area in which all forces, matter and energy exist.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

Are you alleging that mass as in atomic mass or some other rendition of the term/word is one of the properties of spacetime? If that is the case, I think you're mistaken. I would consider that as substance occupying space/area.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

Straggler, is mass a property of space?

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

It means what it says. Is mass a property of space? Your first answer (abe: to) that question was ambiguous. It appeared to say that all mass was a property of spacetime as per my first question and your first answer so I made the question more to the point relative to space itself and mass. Edited by Buzsaw, : add word for clarificationEdited by Buzsaw, : fix first edit

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

IaJ, like the others, you've said a lot to say nothing to answer my question. You've tiptoed full circle around my question to Straggler.Is mass a property of space or does mass occupy space?

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

Having read the three conflicting opinions about what matter is and what space is in the last messages, I've become even more convinced that my (being similar to other advocates of static boundless space) POV on space is the only correct and sensible one.Space is area in which matter, forces and energy etc exist. The reason we don't observe nothingness space is that all space in our area of the universe has matter and forces etc occupying it.Were there no matter, etc existing, the universe would consist of only endless boundless infinite space/area in which nothing exists since this boundless area is inclusive in the term/word universe.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

1. I don't ignore the observational evidence. Many minds far more educated and intelligent than mine don't interpret the observational evidence as compatible to the majority POV. Nor do they accept some of what is claimed to be observational evidence by the majority as valid.2. As I've said before, Imo some of the majority folks loose their way from logic, common sense and reality. When I asked what properties of space allow for a straight rigid bar to reconnect it's ends the answer was that space curves. That does not answer the question. Whether space curves or not, there has to be some property in space which bends steel to reconnect itself.I cannot accept something that violates all reality, common sense and logic.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

There's less air, friction, (abe: gravity) and pressure to restrict the mechanism. Wouldn't that factor in? Edited by Buzsaw, : noted in context

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

Thanks for answering my question, Ned. I should have done some reading before asking.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

....And you people are all still being completely illogical, nonsensible and observationally unrealistic in insisting that the two ends of an unbent rigid steel bar, the atoms of it remaining unaffected, the two (actually four) sides of the bar remaining the same length will go full circle to reconnect the two ends of it.ABE: You all have yet to state what properties of space, be it curved or static space, are capable of making such a bar go full circle to reconnect it's two ends. The only way that's going to happen is on paper, on your screen or in your minds. Edited by Buzsaw, : Add statement

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

Are you alleging that there are clocks having no mechanism?

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

I have yet to understand what properties space has to effect curvature. I see forces and matter (not space) as effecting everything that occurs which is observed.I must continually remind that the only properties of space is existing infinite unboundless static area in which all things exist.. The universe, void of all matter, forces, etc would consist only of existing unbounded infinite static space/area.Outside of the area of space where matter, forces, etc exist this is what the rest of the universe consists of; more infinite space/area into which the present matter and forces could expand if expansion of these happens or continues. Edited by Buzsaw, : fix statementEdited by Buzsaw, : No reason given.Edited by Buzsaw, : No reason given.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

That's not what I said at all. Read my whole message carefully. I said, "Outside of the area of space where matter, forces, etc exist......." Do you comprehend what that says, Straggler? Paraphrased, it says that there's an area of infinite space in which things exist and where ever things do not exist things could expand into that area of infinite space which would be outside of the area of infinite space in which things exist.In my warehouse there are areas where things are stored and other areas which are not occupied by things. I may expand the occupied area into the area outside of the occupied area by moving things farther apart so as to make the occupied area less dense. Savvy?

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

Hi Agobot. I see you're from Bulgaria. We welcome you. Likely you're having some language translation difficulty or something. My position is as yours is, that the bar ends cannot connect without bending and that there's no property of space which allows space to reconnect the bar's two ends.On the other hand, perhaps I'm misunderstanding what you're saying to me.

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BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.