Can God create another God?

I ask you the same question: What is your definition of Good and Bad? You seem to be fixed on killing children as being bad. Let me ask you a simple question: What is your opinion on abortion? If you have no definition of good and bad then you have no argument at all.

If you have no definition of Good and Evil, how can you make any judgement about G-d's benevolence?!

Are you a vegetarian? What is your opinion on abortion? If someone is comming to kill you, would you kill him first? If someone killed your kids, would you take revenge?

You have to realize that when you created your kids, you also caused their death. Think about that one.

So you would kill animals because it is not convenient to live as a vegetarian. That does not sound very nice to me. Because it is not even possible to prove whether another grown human is actually feeling pain, I assume you are anti-abortion. You also happen to value your life over other peoples lives. What if you had to drop a nuclear bomb, because the entire USA was hunting you down. Would you do that to save your own life? If I killed your kids would you blaim it on G-d or on me? Or would you blaim it on no one because I am a chemical like anything else in this world? If you would kill your own kids, would you blaim G-d for that? Would you give your child a vaccine while watching him cry out in pain?

Just answer the vaccine question, then I will make my point.Edited by Open MInd, : No reason given.

Thank you for your honest response. Now what is so hard about understanding this world? According to the tradition, this world is only a corridor for the next world. G-d wishes to give us good. But He also realizes with his infinite wisdom that an earned reward is better than a free reward. This world is meant to be a place where we earn our rewards that we will receive on the next world. Every pleasure in this world is short lived. You do not become happier by believing that this "miserable world is all that exists." This will just make you extremely depressed if you ever have a bad day. Even a good day will make you depressed because it will just come and go. Since nothing will stay forever, even your daughter will one day die, how can anyone enjoy this world with the mindset that this is all we have? Think of what you are doing when you are giving your child a vaccine. You are giving her a lot of pain, but you know that it is for her benefit. Similarly, G-d knows what is going on in this world. He also knows that the troubles on this world are all for your benefit. Death is not evil at all to someone who knows that he will go on to another world. Even in the Torah, G-d tells Moses that he is going to die. Death is only seen as an evil thing for people who think that this "miserable life" will end at the grave.

Atheism is not modern at all. It was around way before Christianity as well as Islam. People thought as you do even when science thought the world was made out of fire, water, earth, and air. Science may be progressing, but heretics existed ever since the begining. Don't fool yourself into thinking that your vast knowledge of physics and biology are causing you to ignore G-d. People with far less knowledge than yourself have come to the same conclusions over 2000 years ago. What was their motive? Edited by Open MInd, : No reason given.

You are lying. You do not know for certain what people thought 100 years ago. If you are interested, look up the philosophy of Epicurus. This man died in the year 270 BCE. You may find a similarity between your "modern" philosophy and that of this man who lived 2270 years ago. Now I ask you the same question: What was the reason for this man's beliefs? Also, look at many of the Greek philosophers. How many of them believed in one G-d? I don't know if any of them did. But, Judaism was already around for over 1000 years by that time. Also, if you are interested in reading the Torah, you should read about the Tower. This story depicts people living about 4000 years ago that do not believe in G-d. Your faith is very very ancient. The origin of life never seemed to bother any atheist. Furthermore, Charles Darwin is far from the first person to consider the origin of life through natural processes. The idea of Uniformitarianism was around for about 1000 years. The idea that everyone once thought that the world was created by G-d is completely laughable. The Jewish community alone can name countless heretics throughout the years in every single generation. You are the one with an ancient belief. Edited by Open MInd, : No reason given.

What you show is actually predicted by the Torah. G-d says in the Torah that the Jews will forget about G-d when they reach the land and start having great lives. This is simple. When the average human being is living a happy life, there is no reason to believe in G-d. During the 20th century the standard of living has increased dramatically, the effectiveness of medicine has increased, the venues for entertainment have increased, and many people are frying their brains with television and video games from the age of 4. This definitely leads to an increase in atheists. You are just going with the flow my friend. However, this is not a result of science, but a result of comfort. The average person feels so comfortable with the pleasures of life, that he does not bother thinking about G-d. The Torah then goes on to say that G-d will bring destruction to the Jews for forgetting G-d. If you are wondering about why G-d is bringing tragedy in a world of 150,000,000 atheists, ponder no further. The fact that you even continue to exist shows how merciful G-d is. The Jews were eventually thrown out of the land and the bloodshed was so horrific that you would never be able to comprehend it. I would not be surprised to see some really bad tragedies in a world like today.

I do not know what the teachings of the Bible are. I only read the Torah. Having said that, if such a case is theoretically possible (that you would use these things to try to go against G-d) then you would be doing EVIL. HOWEVER, because G-d does not lie, it is not really possible for such a thing to happen, assuming these traits are considered good under my definition. You may think that you are using love and mercy, when you are really using anger and hatred. I encourage you to read my posts to agobot, especially the case of the vaccination of children. This may give you a good example of what I am saying. Imagine stopping a child from having a rabies vaccine because you don't want him to have pain.I think I should also add that the Jews do not believe that G-d will condemn anyone to eternal torture. The Christian description of hell is made to be understood by 4 year old children, and it is in no way reality. I don't know what exactly Christians have to say, but it seems like they argue greatly with Judaism about what will happen after death. The Jewish version is a lot more complicated (as usual), and it makes much more sense.Edited by Open MInd, : No reason given.

You have the cause and effect mixed up. Comfort causes lack of belief. Lack of belief does not cause comfort. If the world will continue to increase in this level of disbelief, don't be surprised if we see World War 3.

I could not help but laugh when I read this. Maybe this is why so many Christians and Mormons start becoming atheist. You have obviously never looked into Judaism. Of course you do not have to be Jewish to believe in Judaism. Only Jews must follow all of the commandments. But this is a side issue. It is exactly the opposite case with Jews. Those who cannot stand the mental stimulation of studying the Talmud end up becoming atheists. I have tried both Talmud and Science, and I can testify that science is much easier than in depth talmud study.

yes I read that post. Why not replace indestructible lifeforms with: lifeforms that are only destructible by Open MInd. See what happens then.

Bingo, this is exactly why G-d gave the Torah. The Torah teaches humans how to do good and how to avoid evil. Just as a side note, where do you think you are getting your ideas of good and evil from? You would think that it evil to kill (this is only my assumption). However, many ancient people did not think that this was evil at all. Some people would kill others and eat their flesh. Others would burn women after their husbands died. Why do you consider it evil to kill? You may have heard of the seven laws given to the children of Noah. These are laws that non-Jews are supposed to follow according to Judaism. If you look at these laws you will see where you are actually getting your morals. 1. Do not worship idols 2. don't denounce G-d 3. Don't steal 4. Don't Kill a human being 5. Don't have relations with your friends wife, your sister from your mother, your mother, your fathers wife, another man, or an animal.
6. Set up a government with courts 7. Don't eat flesh taken from a live animal (kill an animal before eating from it). Do these laws sound like your morals? This is all a non-Jew is obligated to do in accordance with Judaism. Edited by Open MInd, : No reason given.Edited by Open MInd, : No reason given.