Anything Divine in the Bible?

Whatever that poor woman's situation, that is probably not your situation.In your situation, what are you going to do with Jesus Christ?
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Me? I accepted Jesus Christ as my Lord and Saviour 25 years ago.And according to what I was taught, if the mother just so happens to not turn to Christ in her lifetime, then she will join these rebels in hell, and be tormented by God for eternity...From where I am now, it sounds like I signed up with the wrong team 25 years ago...

So you believe in god to satisfy your blood lust? To satisfy your thirst for vengeance? For revenge? That's sickening. Naturally you'll say that you don't believe in god for solely these reasons, but they do seem to provide support to your faith. It would seem that your god is still a vengeful, petty god.Are there not better reasons to believe in god?

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I've backslid before. Sorry, not shocked. Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.

Karuse, Why am I not surprised that someone like you would quickly seize upon my post and jump to the conclusion that all I care about is punishment?You're right on time. You're very predictable.I have written on this Forum thousands of words speaking of God's eternal purpose and salvation quite apart from the matter of judgment.But no, you want to jump to the conclusion that I know only about fire and brimstone, to score a cheap point. If you are an Atheist seems your god or lack of one is far worse.Where's the justice? Where's the salvation? It is nowhere.I prefer the Gospel of Christ to the gospel of dirt.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.Edited by jaywill, : No reason given.

Yes indeed ... there is nothing more valuable. There is no one more precious and more beautiful than God, than Jesus Christ.I love Him for Himself, not just for what He can do for me. He is altogether beautiful and desirable - the Triune God.Want to talk more about that ? I am ready.

Actually, I haven't jumped to any conclusions. You'll notice that I'm asking a question. Conclusions are not questions.I honestly have read very, very little of what you have written on this board. But then, you apparently can't spell my profile name. It's not karuse, it's kuresu. It's not even a close typo.Let's see what you said. Great, so you have reasons other than the eternal damnation of people who have wronged you for believing in god. Yet: So you do need to satisfy your desire for blood, and it is found with god. So the desire to see people damned for all eternity is a key part of your reason for believing in god. Not your only reason, but a foundational one nonetheless. Savvy? That's what's sick.

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Does agnosticism or atheism make the account more bearable, more excusable ?

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Neither agnosticism nor atheism does a single thing to make that account "more bearable." To me, the fact that religion does make the account "more bearable" is not a blessing of religion but a curse. It's so much easier for a believer to do nothing about earthly horrors by falling back on the myth that all will be made right in the afterlife. Mark my words carefully, I am not saying that all, or even most, religious people feel that way, but it's fairly certain that no atheists do. And I daresay that most religious people get at least some comfort by assuming that the cosmic scales will be balanced eventually, even though they do nothing about it.

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Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin FranklinWe see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

a hah. So your believe in god is effectively one of idolization? How is this different from idolizing anything or anyone else?Call it an ego-trip (I bet you will), but I have no need to believe in an idolized supreme being, especially one that has commanded genocide.

But won't, and will clasp those mudering rapists to his bosom for all eternity if they only say the Magic Words on their deathbeds.And you still don't see why I reject such a sick idea of a sick bastard of a God?

Straggler writesInstead of responding to this very lenghty post with its same broken down arguments, that I have already answered over and over, I will only respond to the one that has any baring at all and to which you cannot even get out of the estarting gate.Once again my simple friend, I do not need to establish the existence of God or absolute morality, to know that by your own admission that if absolute morality does not exist, all is relative no matter the term, idea or concept you wish to employ. Your rationalization is nothing more than your opinion, which several here have disagreed with or even slightly disagree with, demonstrates it is nothing more than an ideology of you own perspective, which has no real meaning if there is no standard and its all matter in motion.Your in a hopeless situation trying to justify your actions against a relative and subjective backgound. If you cannot see this simple point, then YOU must be a fool.. Have fun in your foolishness. Rational thought is only a perspective. The alien that has you on the table employing his insturments and anal probe watching you squirm in pain will be looking at you wondering whatthe big deal is. And he will be justifying in his actions as you will, when you break the rabbits neck, to finish him off for supper, eh.Its all relative if there is no standard and I dont need to etablish that there is because you have already admitted there is not and that is the platform from which Im proceeding.Have a nice and enjoy your next stake dinner at the pub. And I am sure that viewing your arguments you are either mentally handicaped or very evasive. At any rate, even if your were more intelligent, it would not make you wiser, because wisdom is the application of knowledge and on this one I am pretty sure I am way ahead, eh?D BertotEdited by Bertot, : No reason given.Edited by Bertot, : No reason given.Edited by Bertot, : No reason given.

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Have a nice and enjoy your next stake dinner at the pub.

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I always find the splinters between my teeth an impediment to true enjoyment of a stake dinner, but that's just me.

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Those who would sacrifice an essential liberty for a temporary security will lose both, and deserve neither. -- Benjamin FranklinWe see monsters where science shows us windmills. -- Phat

C writes:Why are they murdering rapists and why are you so opposed to such relative subjective behavior. If this had been you smashing into a beavers den to get that trophy you would be perfectly fine with that correct? Matter in motion baby, matter in motion.D Bertot

As have I, many times.But now I have finally woken up and realised Christian theology for the utter nonsense it is, in all its forms. It is a difficult life-changing process to go through, de-conversion, but it also the best thing to happen to me in decades. Not that I regret my twenty odd years as a Christian as it brought many friends, many good times, and my wonderful family. But the Abrahamic god, when all is said and done, is just a small-time tribal deity with all the barbarity you would expect of such a fictional creation. Jesus, if he existed in the NT sense, said some great things. But the idea of him being some ultimate sacrifice is so clearly flawed on so many levels. Someone recently had this in their signature, and I think it sums up much of my feelings: Jesus gave up his weekend for my sins.So, in answer to the OP: no, there is nothing divine in the Bible, but there is plenty of primative man's musings on the divine.Edited by cavediver, : No reason given.Edited by cavediver, : No reason given.