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Author Topic:   The irresolvability of the creation/evolution debate
thief
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Message 89 of 98 (492166)
12-28-2008 11:22 PM
Reply to: Message 87 by Coyote
12-28-2008 11:04 PM


Re: Give the poor lad a chance
So far I see plenty of complaint and no serious rebuttal
No creationist stepped up to say 'yeah or nay'
And now I hear one scientist laughing as if his position is secure
For evolution...what critique do you consider as proof?

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thief
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Message 92 of 98 (492270)
12-29-2008 6:25 PM
Reply to: Message 91 by Admin
12-29-2008 6:11 AM


Re: Give the poor lad a chance
Quick as I can
Open Genesis..Day Six..Drop 24hr time constraint...(most people do)
Insert evolution on Day Six and Day Seven
Allow any number of years you see fit
Examine events dealt unto Adam...an obvious experiment properly constructed.
God has not been removed
Evolution does fit
The scientific method is there in Chapter Two
No cause to say nay to faith
No cause to say nay to science
A creationist can say 'God did it'
A scientist can say 'with science'
I realize this is far to brief
But it sure be clear enough...
Of course I am able to rebuttal at great length
As for personal attacks...being referred to as an idiot was not
addressed by admin.
farewell

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thief
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Message 96 of 98 (492394)
12-30-2008 8:02 PM
Reply to: Message 95 by Blue Jay
12-29-2008 11:14 PM


Re: Give the poor lad a chance
Play along with me just a bit more...back to a moment just before life begins on this earth...some light poetry to follow.
"My God did spit...and the earth took form
With His breath He gave it speed and direction"
He was not there when we came out of the water
He didn't have to be.
He wasn't there when we climbed into the trees to escape with our lives
He wasn't there when we found our courage and came down.
For the most part the Genesis narrative is little more than someone giving full credit to a Deity for all existence...all of it.
But then comes Chapter Two
The list of actions dealt unto Adam has all the earmarks of a controlled experiment. (Let me point out that some experiments are not done prove hypothesis...but are performed to alter the course or development of the subject)
I find it remarkable that anyone living at the time of Moses would write such narrative.
Yes of course, the Genesis narrative is third person hearsay, at best.
And we can debate Who told him such things if you like.
What I want you to look at are the details of the event.
I see a specimen selected...and isolated into ideal living conditions
Sheltered and kept..his life span was greatly extended
Apparently the experiment was going well, but, all men die...so...
The man was given a 'deep sleep' and a rib was taken from him.
The rib was increased, and a female was made.
I see...anesthesia...major surgery...cloning..and genetic engineering
Adam was given his twin sister for a bride...she had no navel
This is not evolution. Therefore I keep evolution in Day Six and Seven
Chapter Two is manipulation, it is science, it is separate from other creations.
More later

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