Faith and belief - The Almighty God revealed through his grandness

you would need to define intelligencepersonally, i dont define it by ones beliefs but by ones self awareness, understanding of ones environment and of being able to acquire and retain knowledge. Learning from experiences, ones ability to solve problems and to respond successfully to constantly changing situations.we all have this ability therefore as i said, ALL humans are intelligent.Our beliefs are a different matter and they do not impact on our intelligence. Einstein was intelligent and happened to have some crazy beliefs.

there is no dilemma.as the creator, God has the right to decide the standard for what is good and what is bad. And his standards ARE Moral because He is Morally excellent himself.And God doesnt just make laws and expect humans to live by them...he lives by the same laws himself.This is why it was his very dearest Son (Jesus) whom he sent to die for mankind. He could have sent any other angel to do the job, but he didn't, he sent his firstborn, the one who he was most fond of as the bible says.So yes you are right, God is subject to his own laws of morality.

your rightlife arising from non living matter has NEVER been observed. That is the reality.
Yet you still reason that it must have happened at some point because there was a time on earth when there was no life, then suddenly there was. That reasoning is silly and goes against scientific knowledge about how life is formed. Its formed from pre existing life.My own diety has been observed...that what the bible is, a book of his communication with mankind. It matters not to me that this communication took place thousands of years ago, it only matters that i have something in my hand that tells me about it... You have nothign in your hand that tells you that life arises from non living matter, yet you believe it.I hear the Pot calling the kettle black! And yet, if it were not for these natural laws, you and I would not exist. So not only are they necessary for life, but they are purposeful in sustaining life.
About these laws Einstein wrote: “The scientist’s religious feelings take the form of rapturous amazement at the harmony of Natural law, which reveals an Intelligence of such superiority that, compared with it, all the systematic thinking and acting of human beings is an utterly insignificant reflection.”There is no intelligence without personality. Im sure he does because “God is a Spirit,” and therefore he dwells in a spirit realm. Spirit carries the meaning of 'wind', breath, blow, force. Its not tangible its immaterial.The spirit realm is not governed by the same laws that govern the material world because there is nothing material in the spiritual realm, therefore, God is not governed by the natural laws of the universe... rather, he created these natural laws to house the material worldwhereas he lives outside of it in a realm that we can never venture into.

im certainly not saying life on earth has always existed. Im saying, as we know, that Life comes from pre existing life. this is evidence enough for me to believe that something must have caused life on this planetit is the only logical conclusion i can draw... life is unique and it doesnt just grow out of the groundsomeone must have created it.

this argument shows that our minds cannot comprehend some things about eternitywe assume that everything has a beginning because that is what we see in the natural material worldbut we must understand that the non physical world is not bound by the same rules as we ourselves are. If God were material, it would be a perfectly logical argumentbut the fact is that God is not a material being so we would be wrong in assuming that he is bound by the same natural laws as we are.

im sorry Huntard, but your reasoning is skewiffscientific knowledge confirms that life does not arise from non living materialtherefore, it got here by another waythe only logical explanation for life is that it was created by a life maker...one with the power to create something as unique and complex as life.The bible says that 'with God is the source of life' It acknowledges a lifemaker... it says that he created life on earth. So yes, there was a time when there was no life on earth, then God created it.i am not saying that life on this earth is eternal or has always been, im not sure why you keep saying that???perhaps its an argument for arguments sake?

what laws did Jesus violate?

and the sky has never fallen, therefore i cannot say that the sky will not ever fall...perhaps it could fall because no one has ever proven that it cannot.that is your reasoning???

so scientists have created life in the lab.hmmm, interesting...and when did that happen exactly?Edited by Peg, : No reason given.

and i will request the same from you...in order to prove abiogenesis, you need to be able to demonstrate the mechanism which causes it. If you cant, why should i believe it? parsimony is not a very scienific way of looking at things. Making as few assumptions as possible and eliminating those that make no difference in the observable predictions seems to be a sure way of deleting all possibilities.Abigenesis is a theory that has never been reproduced therefore it is not the most likely solution. if abiogenesis occurred, then it should be able to reoccur and if it really is just a combination of chemical reactions, then it should not be impossible for it to be reproduced.until it is reproduced, abiogenesis belongs to science fiction and there is no point discussing it furtherYou say the same about God. If you cannot be shown God, then he does not exist and you close your mind to it....well i do the same with abiogenesis. If you cannot show me abiogenesis in action, then i have no need to believe that it actually happened.

the only contradiction is that those who proclaim Abiogenesis as the origin of life, something that cannot be seen, proven or repeated in a lab, actually believe ityet refuse to believe that an intelligent creator, one who has communicated and shown himself to mankind, could have been the source of life on earth.cant see God, therefore he doesnt existcant see abiogenesis, cant prove it, cant duplicate it, but it happened because life exists therfore abiogeneis exists.now thats contradictory!

i dont know where you get the idea that life must have been eternalwhat life are you refering to??? human life? animal life? plant life??? what 'must' have been eternally living??? Of course i didnt mean scientists devised them... scientists merely describe the effect of natural laws...they certainly cannot change them nor alter them.
Natural laws are evidence of a supreme being who put these laws in place. an eternal being IS without timeand the universe is an effect because it is material, as opposed to God who is spirit.

cause and effect babylife exists therefore something must have created it

yes ok, you're rightif God didnt make life on earth, then it must have always been here.However we know that it hasnt always been here as Rahvin pointed out.That can only lead us to Abiogenesis... which cannot be proved, cannot be replicated, cannot be observed and therefore there is no evidence for it.i love circular arguments.

The role of the Mosaic law was to teach the isrealites that to sin, makes one worthy of death. This is why they had to offer animals as sacrifices when they sinned...it was to remind them that sin bring forth death...this is the condition passed on from Adam to all his decendents.The role of the Messiah was to save them from that cycle of sin and death.
this is why when Jesus came, he showed the sort of mercy and compassion that he did. His role was to lay down his life as a final sacrifice for all so that the mosaic law would no longer be required.So Jesus was not disobeying the mosaic law...he was putting an end to it. is Jesus really God though?Who is this Jehovah/Yahweh who is mentioned over 7,000 times in the bible???why would Jesus be called 'The Son of God' if he was God himself???As much as the church's want to teach that Jesus is God, the scriptures do not agree with this idea.