Gay bashing versus christian bashing

Artemis Entreri trolls:

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DOMA defines marriage and spouses as a legal union between one man and one woman as husband and wife, and the word spouse refers to a person of the opposite sex who is a husband or a wife.

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"Miscegenation defines marriage and spouses as a legal union between two people of the same race and the word spouse refers to a person of the same race who is a husband or a wife."If it's a crap argument when applied to race, why does it suddenly gain legitimacy when applied to sexual orientation?

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Homosexuals and Heterosexuals BOTH can marry as per the definition of marriage, and spouses.

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"Blacks and whites BOTH can marry as per the definition of marriage, [sic] and spouses."So why did the Supreme Court strike down miscegenation laws as unconstitutional and a violation of the fundamental right of marriage?If it's a crap argument when applied to race, why does it suddenly gain legitimacy when applied to sexual orientation?

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We are not talking about black people, this is about gay people not having basic rights, except they DO HAVE the same basic rights.

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We are talking about the violation of rights. When we did to those who aren't white the exact same thing that we are doing to those who aren't straight, it was considered a violation of rights. So what's so special about sexual orientation that the exact same act suddenly isn't a violation of rights?

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Every example there is on them, its their CHOICE.

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Huh? It's their "choice" to be fired, evicted, have their children taken away, deported, refused treatment, even tortured? Strange...all of those things are actions done to them, not by them.(Yes, it is legal in this country to torture gay people specifically and purposefully because they are gay.)

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Per law they are equal. We have the same rights.

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Except gay people are not allowed to get married, a violation of the fundamental right of marriage as declared by the Supreme Court (are you saying they were wrong?) Except gay people are not allowed to serve in the military. Except gay people can still be fired for being gay. Except gay people can still be evicted for being gay. Except gay people can be tortured specifically and purposefully for being gay.If you really think you have the same rights, then I request that you come here and allow me to give you those "equal rights" you seem to think gay people have.Now, we've been through this a bazillion times and we still have yet to get an answer from you so I ask that you answer the one question that continues through every single time you try to claim equality:If it's a crap argument when applied to race, why does it suddenly gain legitimacy when applied to sexual orientation?

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Rrhain

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Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.

Catholic Scientist writes:

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In the eyes of the law, marriage is just a legal contract that fails to incorporate love. People don't have the right to marry the one they love. Especially if the one they love doesn't want to marry them.

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As if one could force a contract upon someone else.At any rate, you have contradicted the various court decisions regarding marriage as to why it is a fundamental right. Are you saying the SCOTUS was wrong?But since you want to get specific, fine: Marriage is a legal contract that legitimizes a sexual relationship. Since straight people are allowed to legitimize their sexual relationships through marriage while gay people are not allowed to do so, it is clear that gay people are discriminated against in this area.If it was a crap argument to deny marriage between people of different races, then why is it suddenly legitimate to deny it between people of the same sex?

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Its not that they're separate but equal, its that they're not separate. Its not about feeling icky, asshole.

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And thus, you prove the point.

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Rrhain

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Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.

Catholic Scientist writes:

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The RIA said that whites could not marry non-whites, not that interracial marriage was illegal.

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As if the RIA were the only miscegenation law that ever existed.At any rate, it completely misses the point: If whites cannot marry non-whites, then interracial marriage is illegal.

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But before it was repealed, it was the law and would have been rightly claimed as such.

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So all laws are legitimate? So if I manage to get a law passed by 50%+1 of the population that you are my personal slave and I have complete and total control over your life, including the ability to kill you at my whim, you won't complain? "The law is the law"?Show of hands: Who here would vote to make CS my personal slave?

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Currently, our law is that marriage has to be between opposite sexes but it doesn't prevent anyone from entering the contract (except kids).

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So the repeal of all miscegenation laws across the country by the SCOTUS was a mistake? "The law is the law" and how dare the courts think that they are able to point out that the law must be in accordance with the Constitution, right?So if I get you declared my personal slave, you won't go running to the courts claiming the Constitution negates slavery, right?Who here is going to vote to make CS my personal slave?

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Rrhain

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Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.

Fosdick writes:

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you might want to remember that mothers with suckling infants, teenagers with acne, Boy Scouts and Campfire Girls, and the elderly infirm get discriminated against, even abused and murdered sometimes.

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You need to review the opening post. The likelihood of a nursing mother, an acne-ridden teenager, a Scout, or the elderly being abused or killed specifically because of that trait is nowhere near what it is for those who are gay. Bias-crimes based upon sexual orientation are second only to race (and not by much).When it stops being legal to torture gay people specifically and purposefully because they are gay, then you might have a point.

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All CS and AE are trying to say is that marriage is a civil union between one man and one woman.

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"All CS and AE are trying to say is that marriage is a civil union between people of same race."If it's a crap argument when applied to race, why does it suddenly gain legitimacy when applied to sexual orientation?

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The other day at an I-5 rest stop I saw a bunch of bigoted women trying to discriminate against a nice old man who just wanted to use the ladies room to do his business.

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Right...because "choosing the wrong bathroom" is "discrimination" and is the same as being pistol-whipped to within an inch of your life and then lashed to a fence in the middle of Wyoming and left to die.

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Rrhain

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Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.