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Thelazia
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Message 61 of 167 (496831)
01-31-2009 12:25 AM
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01-30-2009 5:48 PM


Re: Pi = 3: Now on its very own thread!
Ok, so maybe I registered just so I could play (hi all).
41) You can't be dead for three days and come back to life.
42) If you lived thousands of years before they came up with in-vitro fertilization, you didn't get pregnant without having sex with someone.
43) Brushfires can't talk to people.
Thanks guys, cheers.
Edited by Thelazia, : Probably didn't need the whole list....

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Message 62 of 167 (496838)
01-31-2009 1:37 AM
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01-31-2009 12:25 AM


Re: Pi = 3: Now on its very own thread!
Hi Thelazia, welcome to the fray.
42) If you lived thousands of years before they came up with in-vitro fertilization, you didn't get pregnant without having sex with someone.
42b. And you can get pregnant without hymen breaking loss of virginity (something that should be taught in sex education if one were serious about preventing unwanted pregnancies), so a "virgin birth" is not a miracle.
Enjoy.

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Message 63 of 167 (498182)
02-08-2009 9:24 PM
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01-27-2009 8:03 PM


Re: Dredging in the Dust
Eye worm information at The Loa Loa Eye Worm - All About Worms

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Rrhain
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Message 64 of 167 (498188)
02-09-2009 12:00 AM


Just going through the text quickly, here's a list of 47:
1) The universe is not less than 6000 years old. Yes, the Bible does say this.
[Skipping over everything about the chronology of creation because that's too easy.]
2) Not all animals are vegetarians.
3) Female humans were not created from male humans. While hyper-advanced genetic engineering could conceivably do such a thing, that isn't what happened with respect to humans.
4) Snakes did not lose their legs after they encountered humans.
5) No humans have lived more than 200 years.
6) No giants.
7) A 450 foot boat sufficient to hold all the animals cannot be made out of wood. By extension, a boat only 450 feet long is either insufficient to hold all the animals no matter what it's made of or would be unseaworthy.
8) Life could not survive being reduced to either 2 or 7 individuals.
9) A global flood did not happen. Not only is there no physical evidence for it, it is geometrically impossible.
10) Not all animals fear humans.
11) The whole earth was not all one language 4500 years ago.
12) The Philistines were not part of Canaan until 1200 BCE, 800 years after Abraham's travels from Ur.
13) Half the population of Egypt did not leave.
14) Leprosy cannot be cured via blood sacrifice of birds and lambs.
15) Human population cannot go from 70 to millions in just a few generations.
16) A serpent on a stick cannot cure snakebite.
17) Eagles do not carry their young on their backs.
18) Ai was not destroyed by the Israelites.
19) The sun cannot stand still in the sky no matter how you interpret the motion of the sun and earth.
20) Astrology isn't true.
21) You cannot grow nearly 2.5 kilos of hair and still have it attached to your head.
22) There were no armies containing more than a million people in 1000 BCE.
23) Leprosy cannot be cured by bathing in the Jordan seven times.
24) Leprosy is not a curse you can bestow on someone by sheer will.
25) The sun cannot reverse direction from the point of view of Israel.
26) The earth moves.
27) Darius I lived after David.
28) Ostriches are good parents.
29) The moon does not have its own light.
30) Stars cannot fall from the sky.
31) Unicorns.
32) Dragons.
33) Satyrs.
34) Nebuchadnezzar was not king of Babylon when Jehoiakim was king of Judah.
35) Belshazzar was not the son of Nebuchadnezzar nor was he any other kind of relation to him.
36) Belshazzar was not the king of anything.
37) Darius the Median did not exist (being a fictional character) and thus could not be the successor of Belshazzar.
38) There was no slaughter of all male infants under two in Bethlehem.
39) Muteness is not possession by the devil.
40) Mustard does not come from trees.
41) Epilepsy is not caused by the devil.
42) The earth was not covered in darkness for three hours approximately 2000 years ago.
43) Blindness is not cured by washing.
44) Shadows do not heal sickness.
45) Death existed long before humans.
46) Humans and other animals are of the same kind of flesh.
47) There are no people still alive from 2000 years ago.
I have avoided many possible metaphorical phrases and some multi-problem single statements.

Rrhain

Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.

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Peg
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Message 65 of 167 (498203)
02-09-2009 2:37 AM
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02-09-2009 12:00 AM


Rrhain writes:
1) The universe is not less than 6000 years old. Yes, the Bible does say this.
No, the bible does not say that. The hebrew word for used can signify an unspecified length of time and this fact has been well established. No does the bible say the earth is 6,000 years old.
Rrhain writes:
3) Female humans were not created from male humans. While hyper-advanced genetic engineering could conceivably do such a thing, that isn't what happened with respect to humans.
Scientifically it is possible, its called cloning.
Rrhain writes:
1) 14) Leprosy cannot be cured via blood sacrifice of birds and lambs.
the person who quoted that scripture was shown to have taken it out of context. The sprinkling of the blood was a purification ceremony of a person who was already cured of the disease.
Rrhain writes:
1)17) Eagles do not carry their young on their backs.
silly argument because a lot of these verses in the bible are figurative... but eagles have been observed to swoop beneath their chicks when they are learning to fly...they swoop beneath them to help keep them in the air.
Rrhain writes:
1)11) The whole earth was not all one language 4500 years ago.
how is this scientifically proven??? Language experts have traced all languages today back to a common source, they call it proto european. They have demonstrated how all languages today can be related to another and another and another.
Rrhain writes:
1) 26) The earth moves.
Yes it does. It spins on its axis.
Gen1:4'After that God saw that the light was good, and God brought about a division between the light and the darkness' 5And God began calling the light Day, but the darkness he called Night.
Job26:10'He has described a circle upon the face of the waters,
To where light ends in darkness'
Light ends in darkness due to the rotation of the earth, therefore the bible does not say it is motionless.
Rrhain writes:
1)29) The moon does not have its own light.
from an earthly position, the moon does give off light. It is the reflection of the sun as we know, and when it shines in the night sky it does light the earth.
Rrhain writes:
1)30) Stars cannot fall from the sky.
32) Dragons.
33) Satyrs.
once again the bible uses figurative language and these things are not to taken literally. Satan the devil is called 'the great dragon' because he's destructive.
Satyrs was a goat shaped demon worshiped in pagan religions. Of course it was not real, but the worship of such creatures was real and the bible mentions them in terms of outlawing the worship of false gods.
Rrhain writes:
1)31) Unicorns.
There was a bit of confusion over the Hebrew word but modern scholars have eliminated much confusion over the word re’em”. Lexicographers Ludwig Koehler and Walter Baumgartner show that it means “wild oxen,” with the scientific identification Bos primigenius. The New Encyclopædia Britannica explains:
Certain poetical passages of the Old Testament refer to a strong and splendid horned animal called re’em”. This word is translated ”unicorn’ or ”rhinoceros’ in many versions, but many modern translations prefer ”wild ox’or aurochs, which is the correct meaning of the Hebrew re’em”.”
Rrhain writes:
1) 35) Belshazzar was not the son of Nebuchadnezzar nor was he any other kind of relation to him.
36) Belshazzar was not the king of anything.
Archeological evidence would say otherwise.
In 1924 a publication was made of the decipherment of an ancient cuneiform text described as the 'Verse Account of Nabonidus' that shed light on Belshazzar’s kingly position at Babylon and explaining the manner of his becoming coregent with Nabonidus.
You will find the information in 'Ancient Near Eastern Texts, by J.Pritchard, 1974, p. 313
Belshazzar definitely exercised royal authority from Nabonidus’ third year on, and this event likely corresponds with Daniel’s reference to “the first year of Belshazzar the king of Babylon.”
Rrhain writes:
1)37) Darius the Median did not exist (being a fictional character) and thus could not be the successor of Belshazzar.
The numerous cases where individuals or events recorded in the Bible, once rejected as ”unhistorical’ by critics, have eventually been demonstrated beyond denial to be historical . There was a time when Belshazzar was considered fictional until they found his palace...then there was Pontius Pilate who was thought to be fictional becuase there was no mention of him outside the bible, then they found his name inscribed on stone.

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Message 66 of 167 (498206)
02-09-2009 2:54 AM
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02-09-2009 2:37 AM


Language experts have traced all languages today back to a common source, they call it proto european. They have demonstrated how all languages today can be related to another and another and another
source please? and you obviously haven't heard of the windtalkers/codetalkers.
Edited by DrJones*, : No reason given.

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Peg
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Message 67 of 167 (498213)
02-09-2009 3:17 AM
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02-09-2009 2:54 AM


'Origins, An Atlas of Human Migration' Page 31. Edited by Russell King
'There also must once have been a mother tongue that is the ancestor of languages as divers as Urdu and Serbo-Croatian, Welsh and Italian. There are no written records of such a language, but linguists have designated it Proto-Indo-European, or PIE for short.... At some point all Indo-Europeans spoke the same language, and at some later point various groups must have spread across Europe in one of the great undocumented migrations of prehistory...
Linguists estimate that about 6,000 years ago, the Indo-Europeans were still a coherent group - they had not yet begun to migrate. This means that they belong to the Neolithic Age.'
Edited by Peg, : No reason given.

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Message 68 of 167 (498215)
02-09-2009 3:21 AM
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02-09-2009 2:37 AM


quote:
The numerous cases where individuals or events recorded in the Bible, once rejected as ”unhistorical’ by critics, have eventually been demonstrated beyond denial to be historical . There was a time when Belshazzar was considered fictional until they found his palace...then there was Pontius Pilate who was thought to be fictional becuase there was no mention of him outside the bible, then they found his name inscribed on stone.
How many of these "numerous" cases can you actually document ?
I ask because there are strong reasons to think that many - perhaps all - are the inventions of Christian apologists.

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Message 69 of 167 (498216)
02-09-2009 3:23 AM
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02-09-2009 3:17 AM


You said "All languages" were traced back to a common source. Not just the Indo-European family. So how about supporting the claim you actually made ?

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anglagard
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Message 70 of 167 (498218)
02-09-2009 3:36 AM
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02-09-2009 3:17 AM


Ouch!
Peg writes:
Linguists estimate that about 6,000 years ago, the Indo-Europeans were still a coherent group - they had not yet begun to migrate. This means that they belong to the Neolithic Age.'
6k years huh? kinda takes out that whole flood and Babel thing.
Perhaps rather than trying to jam the Bible into some preconceived dates based upon hucksters, maybe you should just try to get the meaning of the ultimate message.

Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider - Francis Bacon
The more we understand particular things, the more we understand God - Spinoza

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Message 71 of 167 (498221)
02-09-2009 3:42 AM
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'There also must once have been a mother tongue that is the ancestor of languages as divers as Urdu and Serbo-Croatian, Welsh and Italian. There are no written records of such a language, but linguists have designated it Proto-Indo-European, or PIE for short
Do you see how the above quote does not support this statement:
Language experts have traced all languages today back to a common source

soon I discovered that this rock thing was true
Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil
Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet
All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world
And so there was only one thing I could do
Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry

Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan
Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good
If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On
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anglagard
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Message 72 of 167 (498230)
02-09-2009 4:07 AM
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02-09-2009 3:17 AM


Pardon me for currently reading Genome by Matt Ridley but the difference in language apparently correlates to the genetic code based upon location, and it definitely predates any flood or tower.
I don't know what to say to those who demand the Bible is a newspaper or science textbook other than to say it loses it's impact when one takes its emotional power away when they refuse to treat it as it was intended, as literature.
Edited by anglagard, : appropriate qualifiers

Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider - Francis Bacon
The more we understand particular things, the more we understand God - Spinoza

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Nighttrain
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Message 73 of 167 (498231)
02-09-2009 4:14 AM
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02-09-2009 3:17 AM


Wu-shu
'There also must once have been a mother tongue that is the ancestor of languages as divers as Urdu and Serbo-Croatian, Welsh and Italian. There are no written records of such a language, but linguists have designated it Proto-Indo-European, or PIE for short.... At some point all Indo-Europeans spoke the same language, and at some later point various groups must have spread across Europe in one of the great undocumented migrations of prehistory...
Linguists estimate that about 6,000 years ago, the Indo-Europeans were still a coherent group - they had not yet begun to migrate. This means that they belong to the Neolithic Age.'
The Chinese migrated from Indo-Europe? 6K ago?

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Message 74 of 167 (498233)
02-09-2009 4:16 AM
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Tell me a story----
don't know what to say to those who demand the Bible is a newspaper or science textbook other than to say it loses it's impact when one takes its emotional power away when they refuse to treat it as it was intended, as literature.
And mainly fictional lit., Angla.

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Peg
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Message 75 of 167 (498239)
02-09-2009 5:12 AM
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02-09-2009 3:23 AM


i gave you a quote directly out of the book i also quoted.

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