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Hi Percy, So you would say a Mack Truck and a yugo are the same thing. They both have body, tires, and power train.If they were to engage each other head on at 60 miles per hour I believe the truck would be able to continue on but the yugo would have to be carried away from the scene.If Michael and all the Greek gods were to meet head on Michael would be left standing and all the Greek gods would be dead.It seems they die Michael does not die. Well they actually share beliefs because the ancient Greeks did not like or understand the Hebrew Pentateuch. So they did like people today who do not like what the Bible says, they changed it to suit themselves.Genesis was written around 1445 BC and the Greek gods first appear in a poem of the Greek writer Hesiod in 700 BC.It seems Hesiod did not like the Genesis account of creation so he wrote his own version.In his version Chaos came first and was the abyss.Gaea which was earth came out of Chaos.Eros (Desire) came to cancel every logical thought or act.Gaea then brought Uranus (the Heaven) Pontus (the Sea) and Mountains to the world.Uranus job was to cover Gaea with his starry coat.Soon Uranus and Gaea became the first divine couple in the world.Gaea bare Uranus 25 children and the story goes on. I think I was the first to mention the war that is going on between God and the devil.But this is not a war as the Greek gods were all the time fighting, they don't kill each other.It is a cold war that is fought for the spirits of mankind.The Holy Spirit is trying to convince people to believe in God and accept God's offer of a full free pardon.The devil and his angels trying to convince people God does not exist.If that fails they then try to convince people He is such a loving God He would not put anybody in the lake of fire.If that fails they then try to convince people they have plenty of time.If that fails and people do believe and accept God's offer of a full free pardon they try to convince them they don't need to do anything else.Just sit down on the stool of do nothing and let everybody else take care of their own destiny. If somebody needs to hear the gospel God will send somebody else to tell them you have done enough already.I will finish talking about the war in a message to Buz. But Percy if they don't exist they can't be supernatural.If they don't exist they just cain't be anything. Angels can not die. They are immortal, that makes them supernatural.The Greek gods could die. They are mortal, that makes them natural.Percy's says they are equal or at the most very little difference.What kind of logic is that?God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi Buz,It seems Percy is not going to be satisfied until we get in a knock down drag out fight over the devil. I agree this is a physical war where no angel dies physically.The only difference is you believe it has already happened.I believe it is yet to happen.Chapter 12 is tied to chapter 11 with "and".Which contains the prophecy of the two witnesses in 11:2.So for the war between the devil and Michael to have taken place already the two witnesses had to have already come been killed and seen around the world laying in the streets of Jerusalem for 3 days before they come back to life.That has not happened yet so the war between the devil and Michael has not happened yet.Now if I am wrong please explain. Agreed.The angel told Daniel of this event. The devil is in subjection to God and Michael.The devil could hinder Gabriel but when Michael showed up the devil backed off and let Gabriel do his job.Michael will chain the devil in the lake of fire. That tells me he has authority over the devil.The devil ask God for permission to touch Job. He could not do so without God's permission.That tells me the devil does not have free will, therefore he is not capable of doing anything he wants to do.The devil's only authority is to get men to do his bidding by convincing them as he did Eve that God doesn't mean what He says.The devil himself does no evil deeds.He does lead men to do a lot of evil.It started with Cain committing the first murder over a religious act.
He decided if Abel was dead God would have to accept what he offered to God.Mankind has been killing mankind and doing all kind of wicked things to each other every since then.All this because the devil is there to give man a choice.If there was no evil devil there would be no choice.The part Percy does not understand is that it makes no difference what we believe the only thing that matters is what God says.God says He loves us.God says God the Son died for us.God says if we believe and accept that sacrifice He will give us eternal life.God says when we accept his free full pardon He will send the Holy Spirit to seal our destiny and lead us in all truth. Someday we will know all truth.We can disagree on everything else the Bible says, but we can not disagree on God's plan of salvation and both get to heaven.When we finally meet in heaven we can take a stroll down by the river that flows from the throne of God and have a good laugh about our days on EvC.God Bless You and Yours Brother,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi Percy, You are the one that brought up the Greek gods.Now you are saying it is silly and trivial.So are you now abandoning your argument that the Greek gods are equal to the angels?Do you concede the point that the Greek gods were born out of poetry that was based on the much earlier Genesis account of creation? I don't really see why it makes a difference whether the devil is doing his will or Gods will.He is there to give mankind a choice between good and evil.But since it is God's will that mankind have that choice I see the devil making it possible for God's will for mankind to be fulfilled.Without the evil devil man would not have a choice between good and evil.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi Straggler, I don't believe either one is a god.The Greek gods are mortal.The devil has to have God's approval to do something so he is not god.Immortal from Dictionary.com. The Greek gods killed each other, they died.Therefore the Greek gods are mortal.The devil does not die and will last forever. Rev. 20:10Therefore the devil is immortal. Yes, and I pointed out where he had to get permission to touch Job.If he had free will why did he have to get permission from God? Well God's will is that all mankind have a choice.He does not want anyone to have to believe in Him and accept Him as God.He desires for mankind to so choose of his own volition.The only way He could accomplish that was to give mankind a choice between good and evil.That is where the devil comes in.He tries to get man to not believe in and accept God.He can only do that if he has God's permission. I believe the devil is doing exactly what he was designed to do and is doing a perfect job by the results I see. So now we are to get into why the devil has to spend eternity in the lake of fire along with his angels.Simply because that is what they were designed for as the lake of fire was prepared for the devil and his angels. Yea I know it doesn't seem fair to the devil and his angels.But they were necessary tools so mankind could have a choice.The animals in the lab don't have a choice either do they?God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi Percy, But the Greek gods were mortal they died.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi Straggler, Duh, you don't believe my God is a God. So does that mean you believe I am an atheist?I said I did not believe the angels or the Greek gods were gods.That doesn't mean they didn't believe in a god or gods. They fought and killed each other.They ate their children.Anything that is immortal does not die. SourceWhat is so hard to understand about that?Immortal beings do not die, they are not subject to death. God wills that mankind have a choice.God wills that the devil put other option before mankind.Such as God is dead.There is no God.We don't need a God.We have proved that a God is not necessary.That does not mean God wants anyone to perish. That is the reason He offered a full free pardon to anyone who will accept it.The Bible tells me that is foolishness to you but I keep copying Taz.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

Hi Percy, You are correct.God could destroy anything He created.That is what makes Him God.But no angel could kill another angel.No angel could castrate God as Cronus did Uranus at the bidding of his mother Gaea.Which she had him do because Uranus kept stuffing the kids back in her womb.There can be only one God.Anything else is not God.God Bless,

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."