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I take your point. The question shouldn't centre around how old you say the earth is. Or what you're not. It should centre around who you say Jesus Christ is.So, who do you, Percy, say Jesus Christ is? Your Lord and saviour? Or an equivocation around same.Your answer to me need not be your final answer.

What does that mean precisely? Would it be the same as God saying "let us make man..." - rendering us a projection of Gods will? Why is adding the devil any different than adding any other willed being? If it is Gods will that a being he creates have own will then that being acting against Gods will is acting - by virtue of will expression - according to Gods will. Christians frequently point to the subjective evidence of Gods indwelling as fuel for their belief. What fuel fuels your belief in the face of a similar lack of hard evidence. In gun-toting fundie USA? I admire their zeal!! Edited by iano, : No reason given.

Okay.That God creates being A and places him in the supernatural realm and creates being B and places him in the natural realm doesn't render either being God.- I wasn't aware of the view that constituted angels as a part of God. I was under the impression that they belong to the created order just like us...and satan.- That he is supernatural doesn't render him God - it merely identifies the realm he occupies. That he is independent of Gods will doesn't render him God either - anymore than humans being independent of God's will render them God.

That's not the definition I'm using. The definition I'm using is that God created us and angels - incl. satan. It would depend very much on the criteria of course.If the measure of God is that he isn't created, then satan can't be a god. Percy seemed to be proposing that Christians need suppose satan as God - simply by believing he, satan, exists. Thus not.

But there is no panapoly (whatever that is) of Gods in Christianity. There's God and there's gods. One wouldn't imagine so much significance in the capitalization of a letter - but there you have it.I'm not sure that satan is a god by the biblical definition. By that account he's to be destroyed - which might well mean end of existance. In biblical terms he's that which lies behind the myriad of gods thus far identifed: money, diana, etc I've been nabbed!! Forgive me if I don't trawl back but what was the problem in the first place? One that required this rather unusual solution?- I wouldn't dream of asserting material evidence for my view - to do such a thing would completely circumvent the biblical notion of faith - which doesn't involve material evidence."ICANT!!! WHAT ON EARTH HAVE YOU BEEN TELLING FOLK DOWN HERE??"- Speaking of which; what material evidence is there for your deist viewpoint?Edited by iano, : No reason given.Edited by iano, : No reason given.

One way to look at it would be to accept that Christians believe there are gods. These gods can be idols such as Artemis or the Israelites golden calf. They can also be money, power, drugs etc. But who is behind all these gods if not satan?In which case, the worshipping of these gods is in fact aimed at satan. It is him and what he stands for that is be loved and obeyed. Would this not render him a god - the god in fact?

A small point of order. That satan is utilised in the carrying out of God's plan doesn't mean God's Lordship is anything less than absolute.Like, if satan "wins" a man it merely means Gods wrath will be have something to get his teeth into - namely the man. If God "wins" Gods love will have something to wrap his arms around. Either way, God gets what he wants. Once having served God's purpose, satan is disposed of. What's lacking in absolute about that?