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Topic: People Don't Know What Creation Science Is
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Coragyps
Member (Idle past 764 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: 11-12-2002
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Message 53 of 336 (501021)
03-03-2009 6:59 PM
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Reply to: Message 33 by Kelly
03-03-2009 6:05 PM
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Re: I am simply refering to "What is Creation Science?" at this point
the only thing you will ever understand about Creation Science is the slogans. There seems to be a very good reason for that - slogans are the only thing "creation scientists" have ever presented up to about six o'clock CST today. You potentially could change that by answering some of the questions that, say, granny has asked you in this thread. But since there aren't any positive answers for several of those questions.......
"The wretched world lies now under the tyranny of foolishness; things are believed by Christians of such absurdity as no one ever could aforetime induce the heathen to believe." - Agobard of Lyons, ca. 830 AD
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Coragyps
Member (Idle past 764 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: 11-12-2002
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Message 61 of 336 (501034)
03-03-2009 8:00 PM
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Reply to: Message 57 by Kelly
03-03-2009 7:26 PM
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Re: This is exactly what I didn't want to do.
Anyway, I feel bombarded and I can see that I am all alone here. I can't possibly respond to everyone. I have decided to leave this forum. There are several folks here who will most cheerfully have a one-on-one discussion with you - and our moderators will enforce the one-on-one. Just ask whoever you're most comfortable (or least uncomfortable) with. And we have several creationists here, not just you. Why they aren't on this thread, I don't know. You don't want to look like Brave Sir Robin at this early time, do you? Hang around.
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Coragyps
Member (Idle past 764 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: 11-12-2002
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Message 84 of 336 (501259)
03-05-2009 12:51 PM
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Reply to: Message 72 by Kelly
03-05-2009 9:18 AM
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Re: The real question, onfire, is
What led people to deny the obvious signs of creation that was an accepted teaching for hundreds of years and assumed by most early scientists? The exact same thing that led people to deny the obvious signs that the Earth sat immobile in the middle of the cosmos - new observations. If we were arguing in a coffeehouse in London in 1617, my bet would be that you would be taking the side of Robert Cardinal Bellarmine and Melanchthon that we're static and the Sun whizzes around us.
The eyes are witnesses that the heavens revolve in the space of twenty- four hours. But certain men, either from the love of novelty, or to make a display of ingenuity, have concluded that the earth moves; and they maintain that neither the eighth sphere nor the sun revolves.Now, it is a want of honesty and decency to assert such notions publicly, and the example is pernicious. It is the part of a good mind to accept the truth as revealed by God and to acquiesce in it. That's precisely the argument you are supporting.
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Coragyps
Member (Idle past 764 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: 11-12-2002
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Message 87 of 336 (501263)
03-05-2009 1:06 PM
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Reply to: Message 86 by Kelly
03-05-2009 12:59 PM
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Re: I think that which ever model
Yes, the creation model makes plenty of verifiable predictions that the evidence then supports. Then NAME A COUPLE OF THEM< ALREADY!!!!!
"The wretched world lies now under the tyranny of foolishness; things are believed by Christians of such absurdity as no one ever could aforetime induce the heathen to believe." - Agobard of Lyons, ca. 830 AD
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Coragyps
Member (Idle past 764 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: 11-12-2002
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Message 105 of 336 (501289)
03-05-2009 2:31 PM
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Reply to: Message 96 by Kelly
03-05-2009 2:04 PM
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Re: The debate can go on...
Either life happened spontaneously and by chance through eons of time--or it was created instantaneously. I don't know of any other possibility. Created over a couple of days 6000 or so years ago is a possibility we see advocated pretty often around here. "Happened spontaneously all at once" is another, though it doesn't get brought up too often. Use your imagination, Kelly - you can come up with a dozen more if you try. The world rarely presents us with pure dichotomies.
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Coragyps
Member (Idle past 764 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: 11-12-2002
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Message 107 of 336 (501293)
03-05-2009 2:39 PM
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Reply to: Message 92 by Kelly
03-05-2009 1:46 PM
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Re: I think that which ever model
What should we see if everything is evolving in an upward and improving fashion... You tell us. That "upward and improving" has absolutely nothing to do with the biological theory of evolution. Yeah, I suppose the complexity of organisms has increased since the Ediacaran 600,000,000 years ago - when you start simple, you can't get a whole lot simpler and still be alive. But there IS NO upward and improving to it - just change with time. Edited by AdminNosy, : No reason given.
"The wretched world lies now under the tyranny of foolishness; things are believed by Christians of such absurdity as no one ever could aforetime induce the heathen to believe." - Agobard of Lyons, ca. 830 AD
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Coragyps
Member (Idle past 764 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: 11-12-2002
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Message 121 of 336 (501314)
03-05-2009 3:36 PM
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Reply to: Message 113 by Kelly
03-05-2009 3:05 PM
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Re: Sorry Rahvin
But I never got to see your reply because it was censored out. With your permission, Nosy.... Kelly, things don't get censored here, just hidden. The "peek" button lets you read the original post. Replies need to go to the other thread, or Nosy, love him though we do, gets Quite Irritable. Edited by Coragyps, : No reason given.
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Coragyps
Member (Idle past 764 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: 11-12-2002
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Message 205 of 336 (501460)
03-06-2009 11:41 AM
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Reply to: Message 199 by Kelly
03-06-2009 11:15 AM
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Re: I think you are confusing what I mean
while creation posits that all things were created at one point in time and there is no change except that between created types or species.
I am not sure if creationists are still looking for anything else needed to confirm their model. They are satisfied thus far. They are satisfied in their deliberate self-imposed ignorance and blindness. Sure, if you ignore everything geology and palaeontology have learned in the last couple of centuries, you can say "all things were created at one point in time." I would rather look at some accumulated knowledge, myself. "Creation science" needs to just take a peek at the real world, too - like science does.
"The wretched world lies now under the tyranny of foolishness; things are believed by Christians of such absurdity as no one ever could aforetime induce the heathen to believe." - Agobard of Lyons, ca. 830 AD
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Coragyps
Member (Idle past 764 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: 11-12-2002
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Message 206 of 336 (501461)
03-06-2009 11:45 AM
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Reply to: Message 204 by Kelly
03-06-2009 11:36 AM
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Re: Well then, for now
I don't really know if Creationists are working on new predictions or if they even need to. I think I can guess, though. They've never made a (scientific) prediction to date, so why should they start now? If they just use the fear of Hell to keep the money coming in, what's the point of foolin' with that messy old science stuff?
"The wretched world lies now under the tyranny of foolishness; things are believed by Christians of such absurdity as no one ever could aforetime induce the heathen to believe." - Agobard of Lyons, ca. 830 AD
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Coragyps
Member (Idle past 764 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: 11-12-2002
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Message 221 of 336 (501478)
03-06-2009 12:21 PM
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Reply to: Message 219 by Kelly
03-06-2009 12:15 PM
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Re: Creationists would disagree with this too
Because the first and second laws of thermodynamics preclude it. BULLSHIT! You're really a troll trying to make creationists look even worse that they looked before, aren't you, Kelly?
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Coragyps
Member (Idle past 764 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: 11-12-2002
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Message 297 of 336 (501576)
03-06-2009 7:07 PM
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Reply to: Message 289 by onifre
03-06-2009 6:38 PM
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Re: of course,
Also, christian colleges do not teach evolution. Most assuredly untrue. Even Wheaton College apparently does teach real biology. Liberty, Biola, and the like may not, but they are thankfully a pretty small subset of "christian colleges." Kelly, can you name one scientific prediction made by "creation scientists" that was found to be true? One?
"The wretched world lies now under the tyranny of foolishness; things are believed by Christians of such absurdity as no one ever could aforetime induce the heathen to believe." - Agobard of Lyons, ca. 830 AD
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