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AdminNosy Administrator Posts: 4754 From: Vancouver, BC, Canada Joined: |
Dman the topic here is not God or anything about religion. Please do not further that discussion.
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Modulous Member Posts: 7801 From: Manchester, UK Joined: |
I have plenty more Great. So do I.
But to spend the time only to watch you totally disregard it and act as though your disgreement proves that what I am saying is not derived by scientific study is just so false that I can hardly bare to spend any time at it at all. Allow me to correct your misapprehension - I am not totally disregarding your position. I am asking you questions about it, and telling you facts about mine. I won't be convinced that Creation Science is science unless certain criteria can be met. I can appreciate that if Creation Science isn't science but pseudoscience, my high standards would present a problem. However, evolution manages to pass exceed my standards as does a whole lot of other things. When you have the time, I'd really appreciate you telling me all these things, enlightening me and so on. Until then I'll remain in the position I was in before you arrived I'm afraid to say: Creation Science is pseudoscience. It looks scientific at first blush.
Why not simply consider taking a look at the book I recommended I have considered it, but there are lots of Creation related books that I have been lead to believe are much higher quality than the one you recommended and my reading list is already full. It'll take something pretty amazing to squeeze onto it, but if you convince me there are some quality ideas that I haven't already been exposed to in it, I may well take a look.
I think everything I have posted so far would become more clear to you. I just can't keep up with this board. So sorry : ( I'm sure it would become clear, but I doubt it would change my view that Creation Science skips out the science part. I'm happy to be wrong and await a Creationist who is willing and has the time to explain how. No need to apologize. You're not the first Creationist who has not had the time or the ability (or both) to elucidate their position beyond what you have already done. I understand. Enjoy spending time with the family and if you feel like shedding more light for me, then I'm all ears. Does your edition of What is Creation Science contain this quote?
quote: on or around approximately page 58?
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Dman Member (Idle past 5046 days) Posts: 38 Joined: |
quote: Sorry, that was not my intention. I was merely defending myself. With that out of the way I will simply re ask my unanswered questions regarding CS.
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JonF Member (Idle past 196 days) Posts: 6174 Joined: |
But hey, evolution certainly is valuable to you and must strengthen your faith in nothing. Yes? No. I have no fiath in nothing. God wrote the rocks. Man wrote the bible. Where the two disagree, I go with what God wrote.
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olivortex Member (Idle past 4806 days) Posts: 70 From: versailles, france Joined: |
There is a thing i have never had the opportunity to hear or read. I wonder how creation science could explain the disappearance of some species, that actually disappeared. I'm not talking about dinosaurs here, cause i've been fed strange numerous things about them.
Of course, obviously endangered species are not receivable exemples to start talking about this, because ID supporters/creationnist inevitably and "legitimately "answer: "this specie has not disappeared. How do you know it will?" So i've been looking for some exemples; the one i focused on and that i had been discussing with other ID supporters/creationists is the Thylacine, aka the tasmanian wolf, or tasmanian tiger, according to wikipedia. It has officially disappeared. Rumours of sighting are heard. But rumours of dinosaurs sightings also stem from africa, and from the Loch Ness region. Here is a link for an introduction to the thylacine:The Thylacine Museum - A Natural History of the Tasmanian Tiger quote: "Exctinct species" implies that we agree on what is a specie. And this in itself is a topic that can generate multiple threads here. Taxonomy is one field where ID supporters/creationists like to make things blurry. But it seems that an agreement has been found on the taxonomy of the Thylacine. (if i'm wrong, i will accept a correction). So maybe creation science has an answer for this kind of interrogation: how and why species can disappear if they're immutable? If one disappears, why wouldn't all the others? Has creation science made scientific research in that sense?
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Granny Magda Member Posts: 2462 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 3.8 |
quote: Exactly how dishonest do you intend to get? You claim that CS has nothing to do with religion, yet, when you are shown that one of the best known CS organisations has religion as its number one priority, you say it is irrelevant. If CS studies the evidence and not God, why does AiG say that science is secondary to the Gospels? Mutate and Survive "The Bible is like a person, and if you torture it long enough, you can get it to say almost anything you'd like it to say." -- Rev. Dr. Francis H. Wade
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Kelly Member (Idle past 5524 days) Posts: 217 Joined: |
You are parroting a common claim that has no truth to. If you were really familiar with the book, you would know this and you would know what creation science really is too.
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Kelly Member (Idle past 5524 days) Posts: 217 Joined: |
AIG is not a Creation Science study..it is a biblical creation organization that can point to creation science to support itself.
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Granny Magda Member Posts: 2462 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 3.8 |
So I take it you won't be quoting any more AiG sources to back up CS?
Instead, how about you provide us with that creationist scientific study that I've been asking for. Mutate and Survive Added by Edit; You do realise don't you, that Gary Parker, co-author of the Morris/Parker book that you've been plugging was
with Answers in Genesis as senior lecturer since AiG’s first year (1994, and remained full-time until 1999). Source Edited by Granny Magda, : No reason given. "The Bible is like a person, and if you torture it long enough, you can get it to say almost anything you'd like it to say." -- Rev. Dr. Francis H. Wade
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Kelly Member (Idle past 5524 days) Posts: 217 Joined: |
When it comes to the scientific aspect, there is no reason not to.
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Kelly Member (Idle past 5524 days) Posts: 217 Joined: |
Are you saying that extinction would not be in keeping with the creation model?
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Kelly Member (Idle past 5524 days) Posts: 217 Joined: |
it has nothing to do with an inability to respond to most of what is said here. Creationists likely recognize the futility of it in a place where they are outnumbered by a herd of people totally indoctrinated deep down to the core of their very being.
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Rahvin Member Posts: 4046 Joined: Member Rating: 7.4 |
people totally indoctrinated deep down to the core of their very being. Projection is fun, isn't it?
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Granny Magda Member Posts: 2462 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 3.8 |
Because an organisation that has openly admitted that it places the Gospels before science is not a credible scientific source?
Because an organisation that has openly admitted that it places the Gospels before science whilst espousing CS somewhat undermines your claim that the two are unrelated? You have just said that AiG is not a scientific organisation, yet you cite What Is Creation Science as a good source for info on CS. Its co-author is a former senior lecturer with AiG and held that position when he wrote the book. Are you sure they're unconnected? If so, why are there so many references to creation science at AiG? Mutate and Survive "The Bible is like a person, and if you torture it long enough, you can get it to say almost anything you'd like it to say." -- Rev. Dr. Francis H. Wade
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onifre Member (Idle past 2979 days) Posts: 4854 From: Dark Side of the Moon Joined: |
Creationists likely recognize the futility of it in a place where they are outnumbered by a herd of people totally indoctrinated deep down to the core of their very being. If by place you mean Earth then, yes, you are out numbered against the people who accept evolution. If by place you mean science then, yes, you are out numbered. If by place you mean colleges and universities then, yes, you are out numbered. If by place you mean this forum then, yes, you are out numbered. Do you know of any other places where evolution is either studied or discussed where you are NOT out numbered...? "I smoke pot. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your mouth."--Bill Hicks "I never knew there was another option other than to question everything"--Noam Chomsky
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