$50 to anyone who can prove to me Evolution is a lie.

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OK, let's imagine you are an engineer at NASA.

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"Your job is to help design a spacecraft to send out of the Earth's orbit to go study Saturn.

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What part of the Bible is going to be helpful to you, the part about the firmament or the part about the waters above the firmament?

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Or, would you rather use those man-made books dealing with physics, aerodynamics, materials science, and propulsion?

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You turned my comment into something that wouldn't make common sense. I mean in life not one instance. Of course I would use the man made books in that instance. Looks like you tried to twist what I say into something that doesn't make sense.
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You turned my comment into something that wouldn't make common sense.

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No. Your comment didn't make common sense. There was no turning. Schraf pointed out a consequence of your position. If you don't like the consequences, change the position.

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I mean in life not one instance.

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Is EVERY instance not 'in life'? Thus, it is perfectly valid to choose any instance and check the consequences.

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Of course I would use the man made books in that instance.

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Why? The man-made books contradict the Bible in this instance and you did state that you would choose the Bible over any man-made book. You are not beig consistent.

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Looks like you tried to twist what I say into something that doesn't make sense.

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Wrong. There is no twisting. You said something which implies a great many things that do not make sense.------------------
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I see where messenjah is coming from. You are making a mockery out of the Bible by trying to fit it into every possible situation. The NASA comment was just over the edge.------------------
Psalm 14:1
The Fool says in his heart, "There is no God."
They are corrupt, their deeds are vile; there is no one who does good."As by this theory innumerable transitional forms must have existed, why do we not find them embedded in countless numbers in the crust of the earth? The number of intermediate links between all living and extinct species must have been inconceivably great!" (emphasis added) -- Charles Darwin

No, we're just pointing out inconsistencies in your beliefs. After all if you'll accept the findings of science where they contradict the bible on astronomy, why won't you accept science when it contradicts Genesis?Seems like a double standard to me.

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Psalm 14:1
The Fool says in his heart, "There is no God."
They are corrupt, their deeds are vile; there is no one who does good."As by this theory innumerable transitional forms must have existed, why do we not find them embedded in countless numbers in the crust of the earth? The number of intermediate links between all living and extinct species must have been inconceivably great!" (emphasis added) -- Charles Darwin

If it is a matter of faith then why bother looking for scientific evidence, seems pretty pointless to me?

I accept all science, no science that I see contradicts The Word Of God.Show me what you think does in fact do the Contradicting.------------------
Psalm 14:1
The Fool says in his heart, "There is no God."
They are corrupt, their deeds are vile; there is no one who does good."As by this theory innumerable transitional forms must have existed, why do we not find them embedded in countless numbers in the crust of the earth? The number of intermediate links between all living and extinct species must have been inconceivably great!" (emphasis added) -- Charles Darwin

Sounds more like a matter of closing your eyes to what's been plainly laid out before you. If that's "faith", you can keep it. I'll live with eyes open, thank you very much.

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Sounds more like a matter of closing your eyes to what's been plainly laid out before you. If that's "faith", you can keep it. I'll live with eyes open, thank you very much.

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That's not faith. I realize this comment wasn't directed to me, but closing your eyes to what? What was plainly laid out before him?------------------
"I AM THE MESSENJAH"holla at me for any reason at: messenjahjr@yahoo.com

Besides the whole evolution thing? Well, the Bible says that there's water above the sky - that basically, the sky is blue because it's made of water.Science shows this isn't true. This is basically the context of Schraf's comments.

I have the world around me. To study and learn about.Fallicies in the evolutionary theory.Hmm. The part about animals changing into different animals (ex. fish to human) over billions of years. Lack of evidence. Physical evidence: none. What other evidence is there that isn't physical besides faith? Sure I think faith is valid, I live by it. It's you who won't accept it. No theory generated ideas of what must have happened. And no manipulation of facts that you say lead to Evolution.------------------
Psalm 14:1
The Fool says in his heart, "There is no God."
They are corrupt, their deeds are vile; there is no one who does good."As by this theory innumerable transitional forms must have existed, why do we not find them embedded in countless numbers in the crust of the earth? The number of intermediate links between all living and extinct species must have been inconceivably great!" (emphasis added) -- Charles Darwin

So you say. Mark, how would you expect me to prove something which is a faith ? We can look at historical facts and see if any scientific data correlates to it, but at the end of the day there will always be a perfectly logical explanation for everything. Jesus never existed and if He did, then He was a fraud. And if He really had special powers, it couldn't really have come from God. The list goes on.The Bible has been proven to be remarkable accurate historically (especially in the old testament), so its not 'blind faith' as you like to call it. Can I prove that Jesus's miracles happend ? No, they are miracles afterall If you could prove it and reproduce it, it wouldn't be a mirable would it ?Evolutionists already knows where life started and how it happend. NOTHING can disprove EVOLUTION. Not if we find bones of giants, or skeletons with horns on them. There is no way I can convince any evolutionist by logic that God exists, the only way would be for you to go to church and try find God. But you wont because you already know religion is a load of junk. Even if we disprove 'macro' evolution, that still does not mean Jesus died for our sins.
Creationists do exactly the same. They know the start and the end of it all and look for data to beef up their views.You can take Genesis (and creation)as literal if you like, but then you would have to wonder why woman was created with a rib and when did God give Adam semen ? It really isn't difficult if you like. Heck, a talking serpent, surely IMPOSSIBLE! Keep in mind that God was not explaining creation to a panel of Evolutionists, he was explaining it to a simple man. Moses by his own admission was not a great speaker and I dont think God really intended us to scientifically prove anything in Genesis. That Adam and Eve sinned, however would have to be pretty accurate, how God created the Sun, not.If I can give you an example from Revelation.Revelation 12vs1 "A great and wonderous sign appeared in heaven. a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head"Revelation 13 vs16-17 "And he causeth all, the small and the great, and the rich and the poor, and the free and the bond, that there be given them a mark on their right hand, or upon their forehead; 17 and that no man should be able to buy or to sell, save he that hath the mark, [even] the name of the beast or the number of his name."Both from the same book, but which one do you think is more figurative ?I can point you to the remarkable resemblance between the 666 number and the currently Barcode system, but again... doesn't prove anything. Perhaps were all guilty of being a bit stubborn ?Your quote sais it all.

Fallicies in the evolutionary theory. Hi, I dont quite think there is nothing to evolution prophecyexclaimed. Evolutionists do have proof that there are mutations and that natural selection occurs. We can accept that and still believe God created it all. God would not have created Man and animal to be simple creatures, he made us able to adapt to our environment. We can give that much to evolutionists, however the real question is "Is random mutation and natural selection" the reason we went from nothing to life ?We however do not believe that a rat mutated into a bat, or that a some spider spins a perfect web, because they are genetically programmed to do so. If you want to learn more about the theory of evolution and such, best to listen to what they have to say and understand the theories before claiming it all to be false.cheers[This message has been edited by Zealot, 08-21-2003]

Nope. Physical evidence:1) Fossil record of such transitions.
2) Experimental evidence of the capability of random mutation + natural selection to give rise to new species.
3) No detectable barriers to prevent the kind of evolutionary change we infer from the fossil record.What you may have meant was: "Physical evidence for God: none."

Well, even an evolutionist will answer "no" to that question. Mutation and natural selection only work once there's life to mutate and be selected for. Now that is something we can agree on.