Squaring circles: direct biblical contradictions

This is an error. One might consider that God promised to bless Israel IF they would obey him and that they would see His continual care and concern IF they continued in what He commanded them. He did not change his mind: they did. So it was with Saul. Saul was anointed by God to be king but his administration was rejected when Saul did not live up to the terms of his appointment.Continued blessing and favor always hinged upon obedience. God never changed his mind about that.The Lord made it clear to the Jews from the time of Moses that..."IF ye walk in my statutes, and keep my commandments, and do them...And I will give peace in the land...and make you fruitful, and multiply you, and establish my covenant with you." Leviticus 24:3,6,9.But he told them in the same chapter..."And IF ye shall despise my statutes, or if your soul abhor my judgments, so that ye will not do all my commandments, but that ye break my covenant...And I will set my face against you, and ye shall be slain before your enemies: they that hate you shall reign over you..." Levitucs 24: 14, 17He also told them, " And IF ye will not be reformed by me by these things, but will walk contrary unto me; Then will I also walk contrary unto you, and will punish you yet seven times for your sins."
vss 23-24.Not only so but the Lord had already told the people before Saul was anointed king that he would be a dictator and would oppress them. But they didn't believe Him and rejected Samuels counsel from God.It isn't God that 'changes his mind', at least not from heaven's vantage point. It only appears that way to men...forgetful men who are near-sighted about the will of Almighty God.Malachi 3:6 "I the LORD do not change. So you, O descendants of Jacob, are not destroyed."
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- God never changes His mind about right vs wrong or good vs evil, but men do. God never changes His mind about His eternal promises but men do. However, when men rebel against God and do evil He will punish them in due time and that means that He can/does postpone the promises.So it was for Israel when John the Baptist came and prepared the way of the Lord (Jesus). Christ told the people, "For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John. And IF ye will receive it, this is Elias(Elijah), which was for to come." Matthew 11:13-14.They didn't receive John's testimony about Christ, killed him, and the Anointed one John spoke of and so God postponed the kingdom. That kingdom is still to come and all the promises will be fulfilled. God does not lie. Men and women simply fail to (1) believe Him and/or (2) err in their conclusions about those promises. The Christians didn't 'dump' anything. What a wicked thing to say! They simply shifted gears from the law of Moses to the higher law of the Spirit. "the Law came by Moses by grace and truth came by Jesus Christ." Also, "For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death." Romans 8:2Far from 'dumping' the law or even most of it, the believer in Christ is brought to understand that righteousness goes beyond the mere outward performance of the law (i.e. no adultery, no theft, no lying, no false witnessing, etc.) to learn that even our thoughts are to be in truth, (lustful thoughts, even thinking about theft, even thinking about lies, etc.) so the truth was for New Testament believers to be carried to a higher level.It was the ceremonial aspect of Moses law that was done away with because Christ had performed the task of the atonement for sin. So no physical temple was needed any longer; a priesthood was no longer needed; and the killing of animals was no longer necessary for Christ has fulfilled it all in dying on the cross.

It has everything to do with it because it is all God's Word. Jesus said so, Paul said so. "For all scriptures is given by inspiration of God and is profitable..." II Timothy 3:16.Jesus and the N.T. writers consistently quoted the O.T. and they regarded Christs teachings and that of Moses and the prophets on the same level. "...no prophecy is of any private interpretation...but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost..." II Peter 1:20. There was no personification in the scriptures I quoted nor is there any in the entire chapter of Romans 8. It was direct doctrinal teaching. Being 'made free from the law' is not personification. It can be liked unto an astronaut who is made free from the restraints of earths gravity by going into space. At a certain point he becomes weightless and further out earths gravity doesn't even hold him in orbit.If you wish to see personification then look at chap. 7 for there is plenty of it there. And like you responded to the evidence I gave you that the Old Testament teaches spiritual death (othewise God is a liar about Adam & Eve) you won't take the scripture I give you as evidence. I gave you John 1:17 & Romans 8:2. Shall I quote the entire chapter or will that make any difference? No, you are not 'looking at the plain text', you are inserting your personal views of spiritual matters in an attempt to force the writers of scripture to say what you want them to say.But if you have any respect for the honesty and integrity of the writers of scripture, many of whom were eyewitnesses to Christ and his glory, then don't ever use the word 'dumped' as it relates to their attitude towards the Word of God.

"This is a science forum topic, the evidence must be actual evidence not hearsay. For scripture to be evidence, you would have to show some other source that the scripture is the word of God other than the scripture itself."The Word of God is not 'heresay'. It is of divine inspiration and it is truth whether human beings believe in it or not."some other source."And whenever I do so my opponents arbitrarily declare that evidence as illegitimate or untrustworthy, no matter how solid it is. Like I did for the timing of Christ's death in my thread on the moons, eclipses, and timing. I gave four solid lines of evidence and every single skeptic that read those sources just lightly brushed it off as if Jesus Christ did NOT die on April 3, A.D. 33 as the prophet Daniel indicated that he would, of that the historians living at the time confirmed it, or that the eyewitnesses wrote about the event, and/or that computer analysis determined of the lunar eclipse on that date.Besides that, this is not my thread. Be consistent. If you expect this of me you should expect the same thing of those who also use scripture but no other source. Is that clear to you? Edited by AdminPD, : Off Topic

I dealt with what you said about the topic and that makes it part of the topic. Now stop running from the issue and deal with the issues I laid before you, please.

bluescat:1. You didn't step into this discussion until after you saw me post.2. You told me that I should offer 'evidence' outside the Bible but you did not do so yourself.3. Either you are lying or the writers of scripture are lying. Since you have no evidence that they are lying and because I have seen both the promises of God's Word fulfilled and seen the power of the Lord in many ways (with witnesses), I reject your statement that 'those who wrote it weren't there'. That statement is pure ignorance.4. 'again no evidence'. You deliberately ignored what I said. NASA gives us the date of the lunar eclipse that matches what Joel the prophet said 800 yrs prior to Christs death and two independent witnesses at different locations in the Roman Empire corroborated the dark day that occurred. According to both of them it was so dark that the stars could be seen in mid-afternoon. The darkness was of supernatural origin and not because of a solar eclipse.5. Because the Hebrew calendar demands it, the passover had to be killed on 14th of Nisan (April) and there were only two dates in the A.D. 30's that qualify: April 7, A.D. 30 and April 3, A.D. 33.Quote: " Gabriel told Daniel that after the decree to rebuild, there would be 'seven sevens' (which is 49), plus 'sixty-two sevens' (which is 434). After these 483 years, the Anointed One would be cut off. If the prophecy is true, this would be the year of the crucifixion.Remember that in ancient times, our modern calendar system was not in use. In other prophetic passages a year of 360 days is used. To convert to our modern system which uses the longer solar year, we must divide by the time it takes for Earth to orbit the Sun, which is 365.24 days. This yields 476 years on our calendar.We now have a number of years, but when do we start the countdown? Gabriel said to count 'from the issuing of the decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem.' When was that? The prophet Nehemiah records such a decree, and he dates it as the twentieth year of Artaxerxes. On our calendar, that date is 444 BC. Counting 476 years from 444 BC, and remembering that there is no year numbered 'zero' AD, we discover what Gabriel told Daniel: the Messiah would be cut off in 33 AD."
http://www.bethlehemstar.net/day/day.htmFor the other readers who have some honesty:http://www.bethlehemstar.net/THERE is your extrabiblical evidence.But the truth is that you aren't telling the truth. You aren't even trying to be honest about this and furthermore, you only gave opinions, not facts. You did not establish that Herod died yrs before A.D. 1.The topic is the accuracy of the Bible and here is just part of my evidence. Edited by AdminPD, : Off Topic