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Message 33 of 270 (541541)
01-04-2010 11:07 AM

Reply to: Message 29 by Phat
01-04-2010 10:11 AM

Re: Its Education, Stupid

Hi Phat,

Phat writes:

I agree with those who say that education is not based on belief but on logic, reason, and reality. Am I wrong?

You say "I agree" That means you believe.

I am sorry Phat but everything is based on belief there is no such thing as non belief.

Mankind became as God knowing good and evil and every since then mankind has made choices based upon what he/she believes to be good or evil.

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"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 38 of 270 (541556)
01-04-2010 1:19 PM

Reply to: Message 37 by Granny Magda
01-04-2010 12:34 PM

Re: Oh please, are you serious?

Hi Granny,

Granny Magda writes:

I'm just going to go out on a limb here, but I think that man is a Christian. Oh, he's got an eccentric interpretation of scripture all right, but he is just as keen on is Bible as you are Buz.

Granny are you serious?

What makes that man a Christian?

The Bible Writers writes:

Act 26:28 Then Agrippa said unto Paul, Almost thou persuadest me to be a Christian.
1Pe 4:16 Yet if [any man suffer] as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf.
Act 11:26 And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.

The Greek word transliterated Christianos which means 1) Christian, a follower of Christ. Only appears in these 3 verses in the Bible.

In Acts the people were living a life like Christ and because of that they were called Christians.

Now this man of the LRA what teachings of Christ or what part of the life of Christ is he living like for you to determine he is a Christian, a Christ follower?

So just for clarification and to clear up my ignorance would you tell me what a Christian is?

God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 40 of 270 (541566)
01-04-2010 2:23 PM

Reply to: Message 39 by Granny Magda
01-04-2010 1:34 PM

Re: Oh please, are you serious?

Hi Granny,

Granny Magda writes:

He claims to be a Christian and, with no ironclad way of determining who is a "true" Christian and who is not, we are left with little option but to take his word for it.

If I claim to be a brain surgeon would have an ironclad way of determining if I am a true brain surgeon?

If I can't produce then I am not a true brain surgeon.

Can you tell if an orange tree is a true orange tree?

Sure you can all you have to do is examine the fruit the tree produces.

Can you tell if a person is a Christian or not?

Sure you can all you have to do is examine the fruit they produce. If they are living a life like Christ did then they are Christians.

BTW I haven't met one yet, and I sure don't claim to be one, although I am trying every day to get closer to being one.

Granny Magda writes:

As it happens, I'm defining "Christian" as per its normal use in the English language. You don't get to redefine the meaning of words to make the actions of your fellow religionists more palatable.

So where do you and moderns get the authority to redefine the meaning of the original 2,000 year old word?

If you are going to use a word that was used in the Bible you need to use the meaning of the word when the Bible was written. Not what you think it means today.

Anyone that does not fit the description of what the word used in Acts and by Peter means is not a Christian.

God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 55 of 270 (541651)
01-04-2010 11:05 PM

Reply to: Message 42 by Granny Magda
01-04-2010 5:06 PM

Re: Oh please, are you serious?

Hi Granny,

Granny Magda writes:

In which case, you have watered down the meaning of the term so completely that it ceases to be meaningful.

No I just use the definition of the original word.

Not the watered down version you want to use to be able to include anyone and everyone that claims to be religious.

Granny Magda writes:

By your standards, Vincent Otti is not a Christian. But then, by your absurd standards, you are not a Christian, the Pope is not a Christian and no-one on the face of the Earth is a Christian.

They are not my standards.

Now you getting the idea. "There is none that doeth good no not one." Rom 3:12.

Now if you want to say they are very religious people I will agree with you.

God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 80 of 270 (541809)
01-06-2010 12:42 PM

Reply to: Message 56 by Granny Magda
01-05-2010 4:32 AM

Re: Oh please, are you serious?

Hi Granny,

Granny Magda writes:

I don't care whether your chosen definition is the original meaning or whether you simply pulled it out of your ass. Your definition is unable to correctly identify the Pope as a Christian. therefore, you are wasting my time with meaningless noise.

So it doesn't matter to you what the meaning of the word is.

You have your mind made up as to what you believe and the truth will never change your mind. Fine that is your choice.

God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 85 of 270 (541830)
01-06-2010 1:57 PM

Reply to: Message 81 by Straggler
01-06-2010 12:54 PM

Re: Oh please, are you serious?

Hi Straggler,

Straggler writes:

It matters what the meaning of the word is in the sense of everyone meaning the same thing.

So the popular opinion poll is more important that what the original word means.

Straggler writes:

Of less importance is your attempt to apply your own personal meaning that is contradictory to what everyone else means in order to prop up a failed argument.

So if I use the dictionary meaning of a 2,000 year old word how is that my personal meaning of the word?

What difference does it make what everyone wants a word to say or the definition to mean.

If you change the definition of a word in the English language today to suit yourself it does not change the meaning of a Greek word of 2,000 years ago.

God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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Message 106 of 270 (542070)
01-07-2010 1:52 PM

Reply to: Message 87 by Straggler
01-06-2010 4:23 PM

Re: Oh please, are you serious?

Hi Straggler,

Straggler writes:

If you wanna talk 2,000 year old Greek then you do that. Although you might have a problem finding people to converse with.

Not really we have conversations all the time.

Anyone who wants to know what a true New Testament Christian is or stands for has to go to the language of the day the word is used to identify them.

If you want to know the modern day preversion of what a NTC is you go to a modern dictionary.

That definition does not agree with the original word Christian and what it means.

So any comparison is like comparing apples and oranges.

It depends on your worldview and what you want to believe. If you want the truth you go to the original. If you want your pet beliefs then make up your own or use one someone else made up.

Straggler writes:

Anyway what term would you use to describe what everyone else means by the term "Christian"? Communication is the key yes? Just to be clear.

Sorry but I am not a mind reader.

Now if I was going to give a word that describes the people that are being called christians in this thread it would be Xians as those people called christians has left Christ out competely.

They are like the Church in Rev. 3:20 where Jesus is standing outside the Church knockiing on the door trying to get in. This is the catagory most churches and so called christians fit in today.

God Bless,

"John 5:39 (KJS) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."

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