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Iblis
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Message 69 of 270 (541715)
01-05-2010 7:34 PM
Reply to: Message 68 by Straggler
01-05-2010 7:03 PM


Re: Presidential Hotline to God
Or is God a total bastard messin with the minds of both to amuse himself?
When questions like this come up, I always like to urge people to go to the scriptures for your answer rather than relying on mere opinions.
First Kings 22:19-23 writes:
Hear thou therefore the word of the LORD: I saw the LORD sitting on his throne, and all the host of heaven standing by him on his right hand and on his left.
And the LORD said, Who shall persuade Ahab, that he may go up and fall at Ramothgilead? And one said on this manner, and another said on that manner.
And there came forth a spirit, and stood before the LORD, and said, I will persuade him.
And the LORD said unto him, Wherewith? And he said, I will go forth, and I will be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets. And he said, Thou shalt persuade [him], and prevail also: go forth, and do so.
Now therefore, behold, the LORD hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets, and the LORD hath spoken evil concerning thee.
Of course, it's considered bad form to build a doctrine on just one passage. You have to really search the scriptures, and get all angles on the subject.
Second Chronicles 18:18-22 writes:
Therefore hear the word of the LORD; I saw the LORD sitting upon his throne, and all the host of heaven standing on his right hand and [on] his left.
And the LORD said, Who shall entice Ahab king of Israel, that he may go up and fall at Ramothgilead? And one spake saying after this manner, and another saying after that manner.
Then there came out a spirit, and stood before the LORD, and said, I will entice him. And the LORD said unto him, Wherewith?
And he said, I will go out, and be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets. And [the LORD] said, Thou shalt entice [him], and thou shalt also prevail: go out, and do [even] so.
Now therefore, behold, the LORD hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets, and the LORD hath spoken evil against thee.

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Iblis
Member (Idle past 3924 days)
Posts: 663
Joined: 11-17-2005


Message 78 of 270 (541795)
01-06-2010 11:36 AM
Reply to: Message 77 by Straggler
01-06-2010 10:34 AM


Re: Presidential Hotline to God
I'm not the one missing the point. The Bible supports your theory that God is a lying bastard. Telling different people different things to foment strife and kill off redundant leadership is his frigging SOP, man.
Here
Exodus 7:13 writes:
And he hardened Pharaoh's heart, that he hearkened not unto them; as the LORD had said.
and here
Deuteronomy 2:30 writes:
But Sihon king of Heshbon would not let us pass by him: for the LORD thy God hardened his spirit, and made his heart obstinate, that he might deliver him into thy hand, as [appeareth] this day.
and this
Second Samuel 24:1 writes:
And again the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel, and he moved David against them to say, Go, number Israel and Judah.
resulting in this
Second Samuel 24:15-16 writes:
So the LORD sent a pestilence upon Israel from the morning even to the time appointed: and there died of the people from Dan even to Beersheba seventy thousand men.
And when the angel stretched out his hand upon Jerusalem to destroy it, the LORD repented him of the evil, and said to the angel that destroyed the people, It is enough: stay now thine hand. And the angel of the LORD was by the threshingplace of Araunah the Jebusite.
And David spake unto the LORD when he saw the angel that smote the people, and said, Lo, I have sinned, and I have done wickedly: but these sheep, what have they done? let thine hand, I pray thee, be against me, and against my father's house.
note also
Second Kings 6:33 writes:
And while he yet talked with them, behold, the messenger came down unto him: and he said, Behold, this evil [is] of the LORD; what should I wait for the LORD any longer?
and thusly
Second Kings 21:12 writes:
Therefore thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Behold, I [am] bringing [such] evil upon Jerusalem and Judah, that whosoever heareth of it, both his ears shall tingle.
and so
First Chronicles 5:26 writes:
And the God of Israel stirred up the spirit of Pul king of Assyria, and the spirit of Tilgathpilneser king of Assyria, and he carried them away, even the Reubenites, and the Gadites, and the half tribe of Manasseh, and brought them unto Halah, and Habor, and Hara, and to the river Gozan, unto this day.
and this one ought to be on bumper stickers and t-shirts everywhere
Jeremiah 7:4 writes:
Trust ye not in lying words, saying, The temple of the LORD, The temple of the LORD, The temple of the LORD, [are] these.
and so on, it gets to the point that when he tells someone to say something, they tend to run away to try to avoid the inevitable stoning to come.
Jonah 3:10-4:2 writes:
And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did [it] not.
But it displeased Jonah exceedingly, and he was very angry.
And he prayed unto the LORD, and said, I pray thee, O LORD, [was] not this my saying, when I was yet in my country?
What do I think? LOL, I think sending our fundies to fight theirs to the death isn't a totally bad idea.
Edited by Iblis, : more verses, demonstrates the lack of water-boarding

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Iblis
Member (Idle past 3924 days)
Posts: 663
Joined: 11-17-2005


Message 98 of 270 (541926)
01-06-2010 8:23 PM
Reply to: Message 97 by hooah212002
01-06-2010 8:01 PM


Re: Where have All the REAL Christians Gone?
It's all part of the Big Plan.
Matthew 12:25 writes:
And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand:
When the last two "real" Christians kill one another in a thumping contest over whether "love thy enemy" means we should take out the Moslems first or the Jews, then Jesus will come out of his hole in the ground, and not see his shadow, and summer will begin.

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Iblis
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Message 143 of 270 (542569)
01-10-2010 9:49 PM
Reply to: Message 142 by Buzsaw
01-10-2010 9:04 PM


Re: Christian Nation?
Hi Buz!
As per one of my previous messages, the nature of a republic such as our founders established is that the policies of the representive majority would prevail so far as religion, etc. Thus the bent to Christianity in early US government. Now that the electorate has liberalized to a more secularistic mindset, the role of Christianity in government diminishes.
Let's debate this, please. First let's compare this, though. Message 132
I was born in 1935. LOL. When I was in school out in rural Wyoming, a slim majority of my classmates were professing Christians. The majority of the town fathers were not professing Christians. In the 1950s during my four years in the USAF, I was one of the slim majority of professing Christians. By then, baby, we'd gone a long way down the slippery slope from the time of our founders. By the 1960, before your were likely even born, we pretty much lost it, so far as a Christian mindset in government and on the streets of our towns and cities.
As I understand it, during the time that the Bible and prayer were in every school, America was a highly literate nation. Virtually no one was a fundamentalist, though the politics were highly conservative the intellectual climate was profoundly enlightened and even most church-goers were functionally atheist. Having access to the Book in every school meant that it was well-known, widely discussed, and every man was wise enough to see how it worked and distinguish out the kinds of literature and metaphor involved.
Then, as the preachers tried to make their comeback to power by means of media scams like the Scopes trial, their courting of martrydom provoked an inevitable backlash. The foundational book of the modern English language, the covenant principles of constitutional law, and the practice of public leadership in group devotionals all had to be removed from the public square because they had been contaminated by sectarian strife. Over the same time period, the hysterical wing of protestantism swelled in its ranks, and we eventually got results like the Moral Majority and the lying cheating neo-cons, who prey on the sheep that have been mustered to the giant polling slaughterhouse.
The Pledge is next. Is this what you wanted? The definition of "insanity" is when you keep doing the same things and expect different results. Stop pissing into the wind ...
Acts 26:14 writes:
And when we were all fallen to the earth, I heard a voice speaking unto me, and saying in the Hebrew tongue, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me? [it is] hard for thee to kick against the pricks.

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Iblis
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Posts: 663
Joined: 11-17-2005


Message 207 of 270 (543623)
01-19-2010 9:25 PM
Reply to: Message 199 by Legend
01-19-2010 1:09 PM


Re: It's Stupid, Stupid
I'm not sure, but it sounds like you are trying to make government work better.
If so, that's a terrible idea!
That government is best which governs the least
-- Jefferson
The purpose of this huge bureacratic monstrosity we keep growing, is to take the people who want to rule us and act like busybodies running other people's lives, and tie them up in red tape so it takes them the most effort to get things done with a good long amount of leeway to step up and stop them if we need to.
The reason we don't go with plain anarchy is because, if we did, those people would still be around doing the same stuff only without rules to bind them with. The sort of people who become policemen need more regulation that the rest of us, not less. The sort of people who sit on councils can't be trusted to get real jobs done. Stop them, don't help them. Please.
I am not an Anarchist in your sense of the word: your brain is too dense for any known explosive to affect it.
I am not an Anarchist in your sense of the word: fancy a Policeman let loose on Society!
While there exists the burgess, the hunting man, or any man with ideals less than Shelley's and self-discipline less than Loyola's -- in short, any man who falls far short of MYSELF -- I am against Anarchy, and for Feudalism.
Every "emancipator" has enslaved the free.
-- Perdurabo

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