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Coyote Member (Idle past 2134 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
Significantly, the more secularly educated we become as a nation, the less freedom we enjoy, the more crime we have, the more heart disease, obesity and cancer we have, the more social problems, suicide, etc we have.
Any chance that some of those might be correlated with greatly increasing population, the spread of wealth to the middle class, and a doubling of our lifespans? Any chance at all? Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2134 days) Posts: 6117 Joined:
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What worries you about extremist fundi Christians? What do you consider worrisome religious extremist relative to Christianity these days? I mean, how can you possibly compare the global Christian extremists a threat to you? Many folks consider me to be a religious extremist.
There is an article on Wiki dealing with Dominionism. Leaving out the real extremists, this is what it says (in part): Why is it that some of you people incessantly compare the threat of Islam to Christianity in these modern times? It appears to be a paranoia among some of you. Why? Dominionism as a broader movement Is that enough? Or shall we delve into the Discovery Institute's Wedge Document, which states (in part): We are building on this momentum, broadening the wedge with a positive scientific alternative to materialistic scientific theories, which has come to be called the theory of intelligent design (ID). Design theory promises to reverse the stifling dominance of the materialist worldview, and to replace it with a science consonant with Christian and theistic convictions. ... Now, I do science--specifically archaeology--and I don't want some theocrat telling me what I can and can't find in my research. Can you imaging "a science consonant with Christian and theistic convictions"?
No thanks. I'll stick with the Enlightenment, which showed we no longer have to kowtow to the various shamans and theocrats, whether they be "extremist fundi Christians" or some other kind. Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2134 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
When you stress that the US is a "Christian Nation" does that imply that you, and other Christians, want to use the power of government to impose your particular version of morality upon all residents?
And if so, how does this differ from a theocracy (such as Iran)? Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2134 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
I'm calling for whatever the local elected school boards decide upon for their schools. If they decide that the New England Primer, having religious connotations would be good for their school, there should be no laws from the state or feds forbidding that. If they decide that prayer is allowed before classes so be it. If they decide that the Koran, the Bible or even the Communist Manifesto is to be curriculum, so be it. If they decide that nothing religious is to be in their local school, so be it. Let the voters via their representatives determine what their children are taught. That's the way a republic is suppose to work.
You'd be sore annoyed under a muslim theocracy. I suspect your attitude would change real quick. How about we keep all religious indoctrination out of the public schools, eh? That's what churches et al. are for anyway, isn't it? Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2134 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
Not like the current state of California method of legislature by popular vote and constitutional amendment. And look at the mess they're in! "Bread and circuses..."
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2134 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
Unfortunately, the more secular the schools become, the more delinquency, crime, suicide, drug abuse, civil unrest etc we have. Interestingly, that's what the Bible predicted would happen, that things would get worse when the precepts were not applied. History attests to that.
You are mixing different issues and confusing cause and effect. The majority of the curriculum in the early schools was the three Rs, reading, writing and arithmetic as well as hygien, science, history and social studies. In the colleges and universities (most of the great ones like Harvard, Yale and Princeton originating as Christian, being founded by clergymen) the higher maths, sciences and skills etc were taught. I understand that most had chapel services. Could any of these things you mention be a consequence of a significant increase in population, concentration of much of that population into large cities, and a significant reduction in a rural lifestyle? And could the increasing secularization be due to a vastly more educated populace? Or to the two+ centuries of scientific advance since the American Revolution? Or the increasingly multicultural makeup of our nation? Or the realization that The Enlightenment means that, if we so choose, we can tell the shamans -- of all stripes -- to go jump in the lake without fear of arrest or burning at the stake or some such? Perhaps your viewpoint is too narrow. Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2134 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
Democracy is based on the assumption that a million men are wiser than one man. How's that again? I missed something. Autocracy is based on the assumption that one man is wiser than a million men. Let's play that over again, too. Who decides? Robert A Heinlein, Time Enough for Love, 1973 Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge. |
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