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bluescat48
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Message 102 of 270 (541954)
01-07-2010 2:24 AM
Reply to: Message 99 by Buzsaw
01-07-2010 12:03 AM


Re: Where have All the REAL Christians Gone?
Why is it that some of you people incessantly compare the threat of Islam to Christianity in these modern times? It appears to be a paranoia among some of you. Why?
The following is one reason.
au.org writes:
Catholic, Evangelical Declaration Signers Seek To Nuke The Church-State Wall
the entire article from this month's issue of Church & State Magazine
Page not found - Americans United
Charles Colson & and a bunch of ultra right wing Christians are attempting to turn this country into a Christian Thocracy

There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002
Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969
Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008

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bluescat48
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Message 133 of 270 (542335)
01-08-2010 10:45 PM
Reply to: Message 132 by Buzsaw
01-08-2010 10:37 PM


Re: Where have All the REAL Christians Gone?
So what you see, Hooah, is what we've gotten from the largely secularist powers that be. The majority of professing Christians in America who even have a clue of what the NT teaches, for the most part, consider the fundamentals of Jesus and his apostles who wrote the NT as irrevalent, archaic and radical.
Unfortunately, they are the ones who are trying to turn this country into a Theocracy with their irrevalent, archaic and radical views.

There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002
Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969
Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008

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bluescat48
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Message 137 of 270 (542362)
01-09-2010 11:19 AM
Reply to: Message 135 by Buzsaw
01-09-2010 8:48 AM


Re: Where have All the REAL Christians Gone?
Hi Bluescat. Such as, for example? I'm surprised. I thought that you thought that it was us Biblio-Christo-fundis who were the irrevalent, archaic radicals.
They are, the loudmouths such as Sarah Palin, Ken Huckabee, Charles Colson & James Dodson.

There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002
Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969
Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008

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bluescat48
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Message 139 of 270 (542403)
01-09-2010 7:38 PM
Reply to: Message 138 by Buzsaw
01-09-2010 5:37 PM


Re: Where have All the REAL Christians Gone?
In it I referred to the ones who "consider the fundamentals of Jesus and his apostles who wrote the NT as irrevalent, archaic and radical."
Yes I do since they espouse the exact opposite to Jesus, intolerance.

There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002
Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969
Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008

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bluescat48
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Message 168 of 270 (543401)
01-17-2010 7:13 PM
Reply to: Message 159 by Legend
01-17-2010 2:38 PM


Re: It's a Republic Stupid
Today we have the technology to allow direct and immediate voting on each and every issue, without the need for the physical gathering of large crowds and the subsequent risk of mob mentality.
Except that voting is only a small part of what a direct democracy would be. In a direct democracy all the citizens are legislators. Thus proposing, forming, debating & voting on issues. How, even with modern technology would you feel that this is possible?

There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002
Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969
Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008

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bluescat48
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Message 177 of 270 (543412)
01-17-2010 8:29 PM
Reply to: Message 173 by Legend
01-17-2010 7:41 PM


Re: It's a Republic Stupid
Is this a rhetorical question? It's not just possible, it's already hapenning. Have you heard of things like chat, social networks, mobile phones, tele-conferencing, SMS, IM, Twitter, Skype, GPS, etc. The world is communicating and interacting like never before. The technology is already here, it just needs to be integrated into a formal, structured, secure, accessible and available system.
it's not the technology, it is the logistics. Direct democracy means that all registered voters are the legislature. Each would have to be logged in and verified that they are on the voting list, before the session could start. What would you do if a roll call vote was ordered. Each voter must state yea or ney, one at a time. Have you ever seen thee only thing similar to a direct democracy, the New England Town meeting. Even with just a 1000 or so voters it is a logistic nightmare particularly when any voter cam address the meeting on any bill. Imagine a country the size of the USA where any voter can comment on the legislation. The bill would never come to a vote. suppose that 100,000 people wanted to comment on the bill at 1 minute each, that would be 69 days, at 24 hours per day, without stopping.

There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002
Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969
Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008

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bluescat48
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Message 191 of 270 (543497)
01-18-2010 6:07 PM
Reply to: Message 188 by Legend
01-18-2010 4:02 PM


Re: It's a Republic Stupid
You're presuming sequential, town-hall type of dialogue. I'm suggesting the exact opposite
Then it would not be direct democracy. Each comment must be hea4rd by all not a mismash of a number of comments that no one could listen to at the same time.

There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002
Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969
Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008

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bluescat48
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Message 192 of 270 (543498)
01-18-2010 6:11 PM
Reply to: Message 190 by Legend
01-18-2010 6:03 PM


Re: Underpants Gnomes
No, the public wouldn't decide on the wording of bills, the public would decide on which issues need to be voted on, the wording would be crafted by people with appropriate skills and the public woud then vote to approve/reject the fully-worded proposal.
Again as in my post #191 this would not be direct democracy. In a direct democracy the bills are formulated, encoded, debated and voted on by all citizens.

There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002
Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969
Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008

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bluescat48
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Message 203 of 270 (543614)
01-19-2010 8:23 PM
Reply to: Message 202 by Legend
01-19-2010 6:15 PM


Re: Underpants Gnomes on Skype
Alas, if that was the case GW Bush would have never made it even as a Governor, let alone President.
Then you would expect the voters to be more educated, skilled or knowledgeable in voting for laws? A number of years ago there was a local referendum, I don't recall the particulars, but the jist was that a measure that had been passed by the legislature was challenged by a citizen's group and they gathered enough signatures to get it on the ballot. The problem was the wording of the referendum a yes vote was in favor of rejecting the bill while a no vote kept the measure on the books. A large number of voters thought they were keeping the bill by voting yes, even a teacher who taught civics.

There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002
Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969
Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008

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bluescat48
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Message 206 of 270 (543622)
01-19-2010 9:16 PM
Reply to: Message 205 by onifre
01-19-2010 8:34 PM


Re: Underpants Gnomes on Skype
So you're saying that the Bill was worded in such a manner as to confuse even a civics teacher? Isn't that the fault of those writing the Bill?
I don't think so, it was the fault of reading into the question. What the measure attempted was to reverse a bill thus a yes vote was to eliminate the bill and it was worded that way.

There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002
Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969
Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008

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bluescat48
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Posts: 2347
From: United States
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Message 209 of 270 (543632)
01-20-2010 12:44 AM
Reply to: Message 208 by onifre
01-19-2010 10:03 PM


Re: Underpants Gnomes on Skype
I was just pointing out that even a learned individual may not be capable of dealing with what, in this topic, of direct democracy can be expected if Legends ideas were met.

There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002
Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969
Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008

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