Is Jesus God?

Jesus could declare sins forgiven but just as easily he could heal people of their infirmities...he could do this because he was given the authority to do both as they are linked.sickness and death are the result of sin and because the Messiah's role is to remove sickness and death, his role must also involve the forgiveness of sins.Its in perfect harmony with Jesus telling his diciples that he has been given 'all authority'

No i havnt. the hebrew scriptures use the term 'first and last'
Verse 8 says that God Almighty is the Alpha and Omega which is another way of saying 'first and last' in greek.if you look at Isaiah 44: 6 it reads This is what Jehovah has said, the King of Israel and the Repurchaser of him, Jehovah of armies, ‘I am the first and I am the last, and besides me there is no God"Because this expression is applied to God Almighty several times in its unlimited sense, it would be illogical to apply it to Jesus just because the text in revelation does not specifically indicated that it is refering to God Amighty. This is what Trinitarians are doing with the verses in Revelation. They try to show it is used indiscriminately for either God or Christ, and in this way show God and Christ are the same.

Has anyone noticed yet that none of the scriptures used by those who believe Jesus is God actually say that 'Jesus IS Godthe scriptures presented so far do not directly say that he is God which is why there is a lot of explaination that goes along with them.On the other hand, there are a multitude of scritpures that directly show Jesus is NOT God and they need no explaining.

Paul wasnt doing that.He was encouraging christians to be humble like Christ. His words taught them that no one should think they are equal to God...even Christ 'gave no consideration' to such a notion, that he might or should be equal to God.Christians had to be like Jesus, their Lord, and also remain humble before their God. I didnt avoid the question, i provided numerous scriptures where other imperfect people are called 'good'because of that, you cant say that if jesus said only God is good, that everyone else is not. The fact is that, as i mentioned, the ruler was addressing Jesus with the title 'Good Teacher'jesus did not appreciate being called by such title for he beleived that such titles only belong to God....because God is the originator of the very quality of goodness, so the title of Good rightly belongs to him alone. Christ did do this by becoming an imitator of God. He represented God perfectly. Hebrews 1:3 says that he is the reflection of [God’s] glory, but of course, God is the source that relection. Absolutely. Edited by Peg, : No reason given.

are the Angels of God who surround his throne sinners?

the context of that passage does not show Thomas to be worshiping jesus.what it does show is that 'doubting' Thomas was not convinced that Jesus had risen from the dead and had been seen by the other diciples. When Jesus, in his resurrected body, proceeded to show him the wound marks, Thomas was struck with awe and came to accept that it was Jesus. His remark
"My Lord and my God" is not out of harmony with who the Messiah was.Isaiah 9:6 There has been a child born to us, there has been a son given to us; and the princely rule will come to be upon his shoulder. And his name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.the word god is simply a title, it is not a name of the Almighty. Perhaps you'd have a case if Thomas called Jesus 'Jehovah' but he didnt. He simply acknowledged that Jesus was a mighty god.Why would Jesus rebuke Thomas considering the Messiah was called a 'Mighty God' by Isaiah. This title is in perfect harmony with scripture and it in no way implies that Jesus is God Almighty.

Like Jesus, Elijah the prophet performed many miracles including resurrecting a boy to life. Does this mean that Elijah was also God?

which verses would those be?

He is not equating Jesus with Jehovah. If as you agree, Paul is quoting from the book of Joel, then he is using the name of God and Jesus is never called by that name.the Isrealites never knew Jesus, he was never identified in the Hebrew scriptures. They only knew Jehovah to be their God and in the hebrew scriptures it was Jehovah who was going to save them. How was he going to do that? By sending them a Messiah, a savior.Paul is recognizing that Jehovah is the source of the Messiah and therefore he is still the source of their salvation.This is why in Acts the same quote is used by Peter to explain that Jehovah sent the Messiah, resurrected him and thru him will fulfill his promise of salvation. The apostles were not under the impression that Jesus and Jehovah were one and the same. This passage, which uses the same verse from Joel most certainly shows their belief was that Jesus was the promised Messiah whom Jehovah would send.... certainly not Jehovah himself.

woooo are you now adding a whole new idea to the bible...the angels of God sin?Also you havnt addressed why numerous people inthe bible are called described as good. I listed several scriptures, but you've not addressed one.So if only God is good, and because Jesus was called good then he must be God....what about all these other people who are called good? Are they also God? Jesus had free will and he did not sin.
The angels who did sin were cast out of heaven... and when Adam sinned, he was expelled from Eden... so if a perfect man gets punished for sinning, why wouldnt a perfect angel? Why would God allow some sinning angels to remain in heaven, but others be cast out??? this is just plain confusing. So a person can sin but not be a sinner???
a spirit can sin but not be a sinner???Do you know what sin is? Can you explain it...i'd like to see where you are coming from with this.

In Jude Vs 14 we see the expression 'holy myriads' .... Look! Jehovah came with his holy myriads"the holy myriads here are Angels....why are they called 'holy' if they are sinners? And why did some of these sinful angels get punished and expelled from Heaven, but not the myriads who still reside in heaven? In the context of the scripture, the man was using Good as a title for Jesus. It was used as a title... Jesus felt that all titles belong to God because God is the one with whom the quality of goodness originates. So Jesus did not want to take any glory that only God should recieve.How could good ever mean sinless? Good is something we do, we practice it, we apply it. Its an action. If we do something right, we have done good. So there is no way that good means sinless. because as i've shown you, numerous peole in the bible are called 'good' Are all these 'good' people God in disguise??? Jesus was the only sinless human besides the first man, Adam.No other human has ever been sinless because we are all from Adam, however, many humans have been called good because good is an action.You keep stating that Jesus designated that only God is good and sinless and your reason that because Jesus was good and sinless then he must be God.Well this is just circular reasoning. The sense in which Jesus was speaking of 'good' was in the sense that he was given the 'title' of good by the young ruler. You seem to think that he accepted that title when in fact he rebuked the man for suggesting it and reminded the young man that goodness is Gods quality...IOW Jesus was saying 'God is the source of the standard so you should only be calling God by that title' there is a distinction and i've said it over and over. Please get this point:the young ruler used it as a title for Jesus.the young ruler used it as a title for Jesusthe young ruler...Its being called good as a title that Jesus objected to. He didnt object to being called 'a good teacher' because he was a good teacher...in fact he was called good several times without any objection. So you have to ask why he objected on this occasion to being called good.the only explaination is that this man used 'good' as a title which is also how the people would address their religious teachers. They would address them with titles and we know that Jesus objected strongly to these religious teachers being given titles. The standard of good is something that God sets. Its his quality just as love is his quality.... good is Gods Moral Excellence.

Satan wanted to be equal with God and recieve worship from humans that rightly belonged to God alone.Adam and Eve wanted to decide for themselves and set the standards of good and bad because they thought they could be like God if they did so.the people who built the tower of Babel wanted to be like God and have their home in the heavens.Wanting to be like God has become a human trait. Today we want the same freedom to make our own decisions and the independence to choose for ourselves as Adam and Eve did... this is trying to be like God.Scientists try to be like God when they play around with life and try to create life through cloning and manipulate nature to create something new such as when they play with genetics.It was quite fitting that Paul councell christians not to try and be like God but rather remain humble and obedient to him. in the context of Pauls letter, he was instructing them to be humble and simply used christ as a perfect example of humility because he existed as a powerful spirit in heaven before he came to earth. He didnt have to tell them that christ was not equal to God...christians already knew who he was, they knew he was the 'son' of God.How did you manage to get "he says Christ is God and eternal" from this scripture??? and all you need to do is present a scripture that shows the faithful angels in heaven are sinners...the bible does not say anywhere that angels sin, so you know that I cannot give you a specific scripture that says this. However If you reasoned on the following scriptures you would not conclude that the angels are sinners.In this verse we see that angels who sinned are specifically mentioned. If all angels sin, why specifically mention these ones who were punished? Would God really use a sinful angel to guide the isrealites and punish them if they sinned? I doubt it very much. Recall Jesus words "let he who is without sin cast the first stone" Also you would need to explain how a sinning Angel could be called holy as they are in Deuteronomy 33:2 and Jude14. Also, how could they uphold and reflect Gods holiness if they are sinful? They couldnt do that because to sin means to fall from Gods perfect standards. IOW, if they sin, they can no longer by holy.Now i await your passages that say that all the angels in heaven are sinners.

the terms are nothing alike.Almighty God- In hebrew - El Shad.dai';
Mighty God - in hebrew - El Gib.bohr';both terms convey the idea of power or strength, but only one is used in the hebrew scriptures in reference to YWHY.the hebrew term ’El Shad.dai' is the word used when God identified himself to MosesIts never used in reference to Jesus or anyone else in the bible.Eternal Father does not imply Jehovah either. Paul explained that our earthly father, Adam, gave us death, but Jesus gives us life because he became the 'corresponding ransom'... symbolically, he switched places with Adam in order to give us life. No, god is merely a title that means 'mighty one'the angels are called gods at Psalm 8:5
Satan is called a god at 2Cor 4:3-4
the isrealite judges were called gods at Psalm 82:1 (which Jesus quoted)Jesus is rightfully called a god because he is a mighty spirit. He has authority and power. It doesnt mean he is the 'Almighty God' though. Edited by Peg, : No reason given.

before we go any further down this 'sinful angels' argument, could you please provide some scriptural proof that the angels who reside with God in heaven are also sinners. I really need to see that from the bible because i just do not believe a word of it. Im sorry, i cannot agree with you here. You keep ignoring those scriptures where certain people were said to be 'good' people. All those mentioned were also sinners, so please stop going down this path. What you are doing is bending over backwards to try and make the verse "Only God is good" to prove that Jesus is God. Well its not working and its completely out of harmony with the scriptures. But i'm enjoying your tenacity! :wink: God saves mankind by the sacrifice of his son Jesus. This is why Jesus is the author of our faith...he has been given as someone to look to for our forgivenss and our future hope of everlasting life. I have been saying over and over that the sense in which it is being used is in the sense of it being a 'title'what is the difference between using good as a title and using it as a description of a persons actions?Here is the answer: A person can DO good, but they cannot BE good. Only God can be good just as God is Love. We can Love, but we cannot BE love. John 5:19Therefore, in answer, Jesus went on to say to them: Most truly I say to YOU, The Son cannot do a single thing of his own initiative, but only what he beholds the Father doing. For whatever things that One does, these things the Son also does in like manner.Whatever things the father does, the son does in like manner. Jesus reflected Gods qualities which means he imitated Gods goodness...he didnt create it, therefore he cannot be God.

the problem is that you are apply the same context to bothYou see the contradiction, but you dont realise that in one, Jesus was being address with the title of Good, whereas in the others, people are being spoken of as behaving in a good way.Its really that simple.As this has gone on now for 3 pages, it would be good to end it here. The answer to 'God is good therefore because Jesus is good he must be God' is wrong for the reason stated above about the context.Jesus did not like reciving the title of Good....something that he beleived only God should be titled with. prior to his incarnation, he was the Angel who led isreal out of the wilderness, the Angel who spoke on Gods behalf... he didnt need such titles. He recieved these titles because of his new role as the Messiah. Ok, so you dont have any scriptural evidence that the angels who still dwell in heaven actually sin. Glad we cleared that up because i was starting to think that i had missed something.I do agree with you though that the angels who exist in heaven have the possiblity of sinning. All creature that have free will can sin, absolutely. But i think we can be pretty sure that if any angel did/does sin, they are removed from the service of God and thrown into what the bible calls 'Tartarus'a deep spiritual void from where they will be thrown into the abyss and live no more. 2Peter 2:4 God did not hold back from punishing the angels that sinned, but, by throwing them into Tar′ta‧rus, delivered them to pits of dense darkness to be reserved for judgmentAdam and Eve certainly were not under his mercy. They were dealt the full force of the law without any chance of forgiveness. This is becaues they were willful sinners, unlike us who were born into this condition. His mercy has been upon every human born from Adam and Eve.And while the angels were not killed instantly, they were punished instantly by being thrown into Tartarus. This is a place of deep spiritual darkness...a place they can never come back from. They will also soon be killed.