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DC85
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Message 114 of 577 (554991)
04-11-2010 11:58 AM 		Reply to: Message 112 by sac51495
04-11-2010 11:44 AM

How could a supreme creator not define all my truths?
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Seems to me you need to explain why a creator defines your truths before we can answer your question.
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Can these truths you hold be validated without "feeling" they're true?
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04-11-2010 12:30 PM 		Reply to: Message 115 by sac51495
04-11-2010 12:11 PM

you aren't really supposed to answer the question I asked...the point of the question was just that if there is a supreme creator
So you aren't interested in debate and set up a strawman.
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was just that if there is a supreme creator
Why do you think this? You're "feelings" mean nothing and are useless as evidence.
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This means that we have been completely transformed by the Creator himself
You need to explain this otherwise you're the one who looks foolish not us.
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04-12-2010 2:02 PM 		Reply to: Message 121 by sac51495
04-12-2010 8:11 AM

Re: Simple starting points
I am going to ask a direct question which begs a direct answer.
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Is atheism the presupposition of what you believe, or is atheism the conclusion of what you believe?
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Neither atheist is a description it only tells you what the person DOESN'T believe. It tells you nothing else about the person or belief systems if any exist
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04-12-2010 2:06 PM 		Reply to: Message 121 by sac51495
04-12-2010 8:11 AM

Re: Simple starting points
Please answer how
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why does a creator define your truths? I cannot understand your stance and what you're asking unless you do so.
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04-12-2010 6:51 PM 		Reply to: Message 127 by Dr Adequate
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Re: Simple starting points
But his question was addressed to RAZD personally. He even put the word "you" in italics to emphasize this.
It doesn't matter using the word atheist in the way that they did doesn't make sense...
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Is atheism the presupposition of what you believe, or is atheism the conclusion of what you believe?
One cannot believe atheism
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Message 145 of 577 (555463)
04-13-2010 6:13 PM 		Reply to: Message 136 by sac51495
04-13-2010 8:59 AM

Re: Simple starting points
1. - Did you (or anybody on this forum) assume from the outset that there was no god, and then based on that assumption, you interpreted the world around you? or...
I Highly doubt it on this forum....
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2. - Did you, from a neutral standpoint, interpret everything you saw around you, and thereby came to the conclusion that a God
was impossible (or inadequate)?
Replace Impossible with improbable and that would be close to myself but I'm sure it doesn't apply to every atheist here. You need to understand I don't believe there isn't a god I simply have no belief in one... Very important difference
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Because "He is before all things, and in Him all things consist." (Col. 1:17). All things were created by Him, and all those things consist in Him alone.
Your one and only source is the Bible and maybe your "feelings"?
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o how could a truth not be defined by my belief in a Creator of the same?
I'm still not understanding. How does the existence of a god define truth anymore then nonexistence of one?
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04-14-2010 3:24 PM 		Reply to: Message 152 by sac51495
04-14-2010 8:54 AM

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My primary argument here is that atheism itself is highly inadequate to describe the world around us.
You're correct but only because atheism doesn't explain anything at all. It only tells you what a person or people don't believe. It makes no attempt to explain anything.
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we do have an explanation for the existence of all things.
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except for the existence of God correct? oh wait.... you go on to say
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created by and eternal, Supreme being
Some how saying God is eternal allows you to get around flawed logic.
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It amazes me how people can sit back and make the Horrible argument that the complexity of the Universe somehow proves the existence of God. They then have the nerve to say in the next breath that an infinitely complex god wasn't created. You cannot have it both ways either all complex things are designed or they aren't. If you say God is eternal then you've defeated your own argument.
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Then you make another assertion because you knew we would call you on the above.
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To make the point, God can be eternal, but matter cannot
I do hope you can explain this. Why is this?
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This concept (of no beginning or end) is very hard for humans to understand
Yet you have this bizarre idea that the Universe and all energy have a beginning..... hmmmm
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.did "something" come from "nothing"?
I don't know... Did God?
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you deny it. It isn't that God is hiding from you, your just ignoring his presence.
Perhaps you could point it out for me
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When you were coming to the conclusion you were in the latter half of your history, were you making these conclusion from the stand point that (a) - there is a god (b) - there is no god (c) - neutral?
letter (a) as I was at one time a Christian. I am however not understanding the point of you question.
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04-19-2010 10:14 PM 		Reply to: Message 176 by sac51495
04-19-2010 9:16 PM

Re: Epistemolgy 101
why does a creator define your truths? Your questions do not make sense until you answer this... Please explain
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