|
Register | Sign In |
|
QuickSearch
Thread ▼ Details |
Member (Idle past 5085 days) Posts: 125 From: Brooklyn, New York Joined: |
|
Thread Info
|
|
|
Author | Topic: The Truth About Evolution and Religion | |||||||||||||||||||||||
dkroemer Member (Idle past 5085 days) Posts: 125 From: Brooklyn, New York Joined: |
What mistakes about biology to advocates of intelligent design make?
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||
dkroemer Member (Idle past 5085 days) Posts: 125 From: Brooklyn, New York Joined: |
Human beings have free will and conscious knowledge. This means humans are embodied spirits. Body and soul are the metaphysical categories of matter and form applied to humans. If you admit that humans have free will and that free will is not a scientific concept, I'll explain the correlative concepts of form and matter.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||
dkroemer Member (Idle past 5085 days) Posts: 125 From: Brooklyn, New York Joined: |
When an object slides on a table and friction slows it down, the kinetic energy is lost. It is not conserved. Scientists solved the problem by inventing a new energy: internal energy or heat energy. The kinetic energy is transformed into heat energy.
The calculation I gave does not take into consideration natural selection and facilitated variation. Gerhart and Krishner discuss this calculation in their book, which I reproduce on my YouTube video.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||
dkroemer Member (Idle past 5085 days) Posts: 125 From: Brooklyn, New York Joined: |
The soul is not a religious belief. It is a metaphysical category that biologists need to justify not including free will and conscious knowledge in their textbooks. The soul is the principle that makes humans equal to one another and superior to animals. Biologists only study the bodies of humans, not their souls.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||
dkroemer Member (Idle past 5085 days) Posts: 125 From: Brooklyn, New York Joined: |
I am not criticizing biologists. I am criticizing non-biologists who think they understand evolution. Biology text books and peer-reviewed articles give a correct explanation of biology.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||
Huntard Member (Idle past 2326 days) Posts: 2870 From: Limburg, The Netherlands Joined: |
dkroemer writes:
I agree.
Human beings have free will and conscious knowledge. This means humans are embodied spirits.
Really? How come? Please, just answer the question. You assert that having free will and conscious knowledge means we must be embodied spirits, demonstrate to me why this conclusion is valid.
If you admit that humans have free will and that free will is not a scientific concept, I'll explain the correlative concepts of form and matter.
What do you mean by "Free will is not a scientific concept"? I'll admit humans have free will, in that they can distinguish between different choices that can be made and choose one of the options available.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||
dkroemer Member (Idle past 5085 days) Posts: 125 From: Brooklyn, New York Joined: |
Science is based on knowledge gained from the five senses. We know we have free will because we can make ourselves the subject of our own knowledge. We can comprehend free will, but we can't define. Humans are indefinabilities that become conscious of their own existence. Another way of saying this is that humans are embodied spirits.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||
dkroemer Member (Idle past 5085 days) Posts: 125 From: Brooklyn, New York Joined: |
The odds of a shuffled deck producing the same order of cards that manufacturers use are one in 52 X 51 X 50 .... The odds of getting four perfect bridge hands is less. However, if a billion people played bridge for 13.5 billion years, one hand a second, there would never be four perfect bridge hands.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||
Huntard Member (Idle past 2326 days) Posts: 2870 From: Limburg, The Netherlands Joined: |
dkroemer writes:
You've said this several times before, it doesn't make it any more true.
Science is based on knowledge gained from the five senses. We know we have free will because we can make ourselves the subject of our own knowledge. We can comprehend free will, but we can't define.
The ability to distinguish between differeent choices and pick one of them. There, defined.
Humans are indefinabilities that become conscious of their own existence.
I'm sorry, what?
Another way of saying this is that humans are embodied spirits.
This makes just as much sense. Namely none. I'm really trying to get at what you're trying to say here, but all I can see is some mumbo jumbo about "ndefinabilities" and "embodied spirits". What is the point to all that? Are these your beleifs (if they are, ok fine, if that makes you happy, it still leaves me wondering why you started this thread) or can you demonstrate them in any way to be true?
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||
dkroemer Member (Idle past 5085 days) Posts: 125 From: Brooklyn, New York Joined: |
We know that the sky is blue from the sense of sight. How do we know that we have free will?
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||
Huntard Member (Idle past 2326 days) Posts: 2870 From: Limburg, The Netherlands Joined: |
dkroemer writes:
Uhm... From our ability to choose?
We know that the sky is blue from the sense of sight. How do we know that we have free will?
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||
dkroemer Member (Idle past 5085 days) Posts: 125 From: Brooklyn, New York Joined: |
We know we have free ill because we know we have the ability to choose? This is called begging the question or circular reasoning.
Another question: Take knowing that this page is black and white. This means more than that light is entering our eye and a signal is going to our brain. It means an awareness of this. What is it?
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||
Huntard Member (Idle past 2326 days) Posts: 2870 From: Limburg, The Netherlands Joined: |
dkroemer writes:
No, it's called using logiic. We have the ability to choose, ergo we can conclude that we have free will.
We know we have free ill because we know we have the ability to choose? This is called begging the question or circular reasoning. Another question: Take knowing that this page is black and white. This means more than that light is entering our eye and a signal is going to our brain. It means an awareness of this. What is it?
What? I know this page is black and white, because I can see this page is black and white.
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||
dkroemer Member (Idle past 5085 days) Posts: 125 From: Brooklyn, New York Joined: |
Free will means I can move my hand anyway I want. But if I cut my hand off, I still exist. My hand is something that I have. What is the relationship between myself and my body?
|
|||||||||||||||||||||||
Huntard Member (Idle past 2326 days) Posts: 2870 From: Limburg, The Netherlands Joined: |
dkroemer writes:
No, taht's called muscle control. And you can't move your hand anyway you want. Youcan't spin it around 400 times for example, even if you wanted to.
Free will means I can move my hand anyway I want. But if I cut my hand off, I still exist.
Of course.
My hand is something that I have. What is the relationship between myself and my body?
What? This makes very little sense to me. Could you elaborate please?
|
|
|
Do Nothing Button
Copyright 2001-2023 by EvC Forum, All Rights Reserved
Version 4.2
Innovative software from Qwixotic © 2024