Underlying Philosophy

probrobly. he wasnt always right. but he was right alot.

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keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is
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How does this "proof" differ from conviction exactly?
How does this "knowledge" differ from belief exactly?

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I'm not offering a supernatural explanation, nor embedded my beliefs in the supernatural.i understand life is natural. it has a food chain. we are not the top of it. we are on this planet, but we are not in the universe.examine a tree. it starts out and grows in a systematic way. the trunk that spits in two has a limb that splits in two. and the limbs of that limb splits to two. it follows a perfect map. the large and the small are identical.now look at the structure of an atom. it follows the same road map as a solar system, which follows the same road map of its galaxy. so the large is a mirror of the small.its not clear because of diversity. but it is evident and has some significance.now philosophically in order to rationalize the maps i have to find a natural way to tie in thoughts and emotions to the maps. so i examine the bodies in the middle to understand te smaller and greater bodies. examining emotions i see them evident in lesser life forms, so apply the logic that it will apply to the greater. greater intelligence is greater wisdom. so even though i accept the body we live in is alive and has life, i cannot rationalize its behavior without application of how i would react to the lesser life forms that exist within me, and around me...man. there is too much data for me to try to explain how it interprets into my beliefs, and since they are my beliefs it would just be food for you to further debate to no end.proof is just evidence of life. and the realization that everything has a purpose and works and interacts perfectly. that thought and emotions exist naturally. and have natural explanations if understood.my convictions come from acceptance of the data i have understood leading to greater things to yet understand. but what i have understood says God loudly and the bible agrees with the assessment if in only an obscure way.I put myself in the shoes of existence. and found it a lonely place to be without diversity.

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keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is
~parmenides

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Oh so you believe in one of those materially detectable gods rather than one of those ethereal supernatural ones then?

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God is natural and does exist. we exist for some purpose yet unknown. and God is natural to all things. it appears supernatural because it is way above yours or my, comprehension level. that's all. But science shows God is. You limit your own knoledge by ignoring what you do not understand.

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Only if you apply extreme confirmation bias can you conclude that life is proof of the existence of your god.

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No. Its definite that we exist only within the confines of "existence". Because of evolution i know things were not always as they are. so the start of existing never happened. existence always was. it evolved. and that's definite proof for me. The greatest minds of science understood something of that or they would not echo God in their belief structure.

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So remind me again - Why is your belief in god best explained by the actual existence of god rather than any of the other possible explanations?

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What other possible explanations? all things are natural. therefore God is natural. God "is" because existing demands it in an evolved state.

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keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is
~parmenides

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But before I go any further with discussing this with you, I need to find out what exactly you do believe about the Genesis account of Creation, what you believe about how the evolutionary time scale fits into the Genesis time scale, or if you believe Genesis 1-3 is allegorical, or whatever.

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There are greatly varying views amongst theistic evolutionists, so before I present my arguments, I need you to tell me what you believe.

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I believe that the information passed down from moses was kept in about as decent order as could be from verbal communications to written. and that If God, whom i believe did, relay the information; that the ears hearing it understood little, and so as much as could be understood for that time was told. This of course was done under an old covenant. The new covenant did not need the information now, since it will be understood later, and revealed to those who need know individually as with their relationship with God is and by what is Good for God and is good for the man.to put it easier: you can't teach a dog to rebuild a 350 four bolt main, but you can teach it to fetch a wrench.God and science are not in conflict, accept in the minds of men. for all true science speaks for God, since all that is has come from him. and is set by his order.

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keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is
~parmenides

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No. All true science points towards the Immaterial Pink Unicorn as the supreme trickster and practical-joke-inspirer-of false gods-for-a-laugh

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i like my version better. it is a much better explanation for how you can exist. i don't know any area thats immaterial

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keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is
~parmenides

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The next time you personally experience god could you take a photograph or make a voice recording so that we can all be suitably enlightened?

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your thoughts came before you typed, did you take a picture of the thought? Your skin tingles as your blood pressure rises, did you take a picture of "anger" or just the reflection of it in your face?If i told you to prove to me you were alive, what would YOU say?one bacteria said to the other " you know, we live inside of this big thing that builds things calls houses and mates and breeds like we do but lives a lot longer and builds weird things called cars." The other bacteria responded " that's crazy, take a picture of it and ill believe you."

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keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is
~parmenides

cheeeeeeese lol. oh btw, is the vacuums pull against matter included in equations for gravitational interactions? or is it ignored?

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My emotions and thoughts exist only in my own mind. They have no existence independently of, or externally to , my mind.

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You could be wrong. matter and life are both independent and dependant with thought and emotions in living things.

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keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is
~parmenides

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What are you talking about?

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I'm talking about how matter exists in living things are the same elements that appear to have no life in the earth such as a chunk of iron. or carbon. lifeless in appearance until it is used as a genetic building block in "living" things.if you were to shrink down and look inside your body they still exist in that same form as the stone, only much smaller and utilized in its environment differently. the entire earth or another planet or a sun could just as well interact in the same fashion inside of a greater body. emotions seem to be reflected in almost all "living" things, even plants react to emotional sounds, play rock metal to a flower and its less likely to grow. Emotions and thoughts exists within "living" things. if we do exist inside a greater body, and contribute to a greater existing body in some form or fashion, then thoughts and emotions would exist outside what we call living things, because there is nothing that exists that is dead. either A: it exists or B: it does not exist. and not existing is true death.Its a deep theory that begs for data. it will take time to accrue it. until then, if these debates do not work constructivly to the end of understanding MORE, then the debates are useless to me, and better left unsaid until i can gather the necessary data and do the necessary experiments to show what I'm talking about.

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How about we put a screwdriver through your head and see how well your thoughts and emotions get on without a functioning brain?

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This experiment has been done, and unless you are extremely sensitive to thoughts and emotions its unlikely you'll have the proof your looking for.as far as the vacuum, if there is an imbalance in pressure, there is a seeking of the ways of pressure to balance. it does not balance. it remains in motion. like wind. pressure; atmospheric or otherwise has an effect on matter. so the vacuum of space must be having an effect on the matter it surrounds in some fashion.i still have never been shown a vacuum without edges. and space is too large to use as an example.

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keep your mind from this way of enquiry, for never will you show that not-being is
~parmenides