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Dr Adequate
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Message 376 of 577 (565263)
06-15-2010 5:52 PM
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06-15-2010 5:24 PM


Re: Unsubstantiated
"We don't know" once a year wouldn't hurt anyone, and i presume wouldn't ruin the atheist philosophy.
Quite so. I say "I don't know" much more often than once a year; I am an atheist; and my philosophy remains intact.

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bluegenes
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Message 377 of 577 (565266)
06-15-2010 6:04 PM
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06-15-2010 5:24 PM


Unknown underlying philosophy.
MatterWave writes:
"We don't know" once a year wouldn't hurt anyone, and i presume wouldn't ruin the atheist philosophy.
I'm an atheist, and I don't know what "the atheist philosophy" is. Can you enlighten me?

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MatterWave
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Message 378 of 577 (565272)
06-15-2010 6:28 PM
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06-15-2010 6:04 PM


Re: Unknown underlying philosophy.
bluegenes writes:
I'm an atheist, and I don't know what "the atheist philosophy" is. Can you enlighten me?
Then you are not an atheist. Or are you an atheist that doesn't know why he is an atheist?

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Straggler
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Message 379 of 577 (565273)
06-15-2010 6:32 PM
Reply to: Message 378 by MatterWave
06-15-2010 6:28 PM


Re: Unknown underlying philosophy.
I'm an atheist, and I don't know what "the atheist philosophy" is. Can you enlighten me?
Then you are not an atheist. Or are you an atheist that doesn't know why he is an atheist?
I too am an atheist. Yet I tooam bewildered as to what an "atheist philosophy" is.
Can you enlighten me too?

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bluegenes
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Message 380 of 577 (565275)
06-15-2010 6:44 PM
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06-15-2010 6:28 PM


Re: Unknown underlying philosophy.
MatterWave writes:
Then you are not an atheist.
Which gods do I believe in?
Or are you an atheist that doesn't know why he is an atheist?
I might have some ideas as to why, but it doesn't actually require a reason to be an atheist. I was born that way. Belief in anything requires a reason. Disbelief is the starting point, don't you agree?
I was picking up on your phrase "the atheist philosophy". It relates to the subject of this thread. I don't think there is a philosophy that all atheists share.

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MatterWave
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Message 381 of 577 (565277)
06-15-2010 6:46 PM
Reply to: Message 379 by Straggler
06-15-2010 6:32 PM


Re: Unknown underlying philosophy.
Straggler writes:
I too am an atheist. Yet I tooam bewildered as to what an "atheist philosophy" is.
Can you enlighten me too?
Same as with above:
1. Ask yourself - "Why am i an atheist?". The answer is your atheist philosophy.
If there are others that want to ask the exactly same question, just look at number 1, so that i don't have to copy/paste the same answer multiple times.

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MatterWave
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Message 382 of 577 (565278)
06-15-2010 6:48 PM
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06-15-2010 6:44 PM


Re: Unknown underlying philosophy.
bluegenes writes:
I don't think there is a philosophy that all atheists share.
You don't believe in god, that's your philosophy.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 383 of 577 (565280)
06-15-2010 6:56 PM
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06-15-2010 6:48 PM


Re: Unknown underlying philosophy.
You don't believe in god, that's your philosophy.
Is not believing in the Tooth Fairy also a philosophy?

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Dr Adequate
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Message 384 of 577 (565281)
06-15-2010 6:58 PM
Reply to: Message 381 by MatterWave
06-15-2010 6:46 PM


Re: Unknown underlying philosophy.
Ask yourself - "Why am i an atheist?". The answer is your atheist philosophy.
No, that doesn't make a philosophy any more than the answer to the question "Why don't I believe in the tooth fairy?"

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bluegenes
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Message 385 of 577 (565284)
06-15-2010 6:59 PM
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06-15-2010 6:48 PM


Re: Unknown underlying philosophy.
MatterWave writes:
You don't believe in god, that's your philosophy.
No, it isn't my philosophy. I wasn't born philosophising, was I? Was that what you meant by "the atheist philosophy"? You could have just said "atheism" if that's what you meant.
Do you believe in fairies? If you don't, is your non-belief in fairies your philosophy?
It's surely easy to understand that it requires no philosophising to lack a belief in any supernatural beings for whose existence you have no evidence.

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MatterWave
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Message 386 of 577 (565314)
06-16-2010 2:03 AM
Reply to: Message 385 by bluegenes
06-15-2010 6:59 PM


Re: Unknown underlying philosophy.
bluegenes writes:
It's surely easy to understand that it requires no philosophising to lack a belief in any supernatural beings for whose existence you have no evidence.
No, it's not just lack of belief. You are not an agnostic, you are an atheist. If i asked you - "Does God exist?" you'd answer "No" which is a proactive belief that god doesn't exist. And that's your philosophy.
Edited by MatterWave, : syntax

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MatterWave
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Message 387 of 577 (565315)
06-16-2010 2:07 AM
Reply to: Message 383 by Dr Adequate
06-15-2010 6:56 PM


Re: Unknown underlying philosophy.
DrAdequate writes:
Is not believing in the Tooth Fairy also a philosophy?
If i said "the Tooth Fairy" exists(e.g. in some other dimension or reality or when i die), that'd be my philosophy.

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bluegenes
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Message 388 of 577 (565324)
06-16-2010 3:36 AM
Reply to: Message 386 by MatterWave
06-16-2010 2:03 AM


Re: Unknown underlying philosophy.
MatterWave writes:
No, it's not just lack of belief. You are not an agnostic, you are an atheist. If i asked you - "Does God exist?" you'd answer "No" which is a proactive belief that god doesn't exist. And that's your philosophy.
I wouldn't answer "No". Please don't make things up. If you asked me "Do you believe in a god (or gods)", I would say "no".
If you ask me "does god exist", I would say "I don't know, but I don't believe in any gods", and I would probably ask you which god you were talking about, as there are many, so "does god exist" sounds like a strange question to me.
I would say that because it is impossible to conclusively know that gods don't exist. Obviously. If they don't, how could we tell?
But let me explain about someone's philosophy. I don't believe that the Koran is the word of god, and I'll assume here that you don't. If a Muslim described "not believing in the Koran as the word of god" as our philosophy, he would be wrong.
We don't have to philosophise ourselves into the original state of not believing in any particular supernatural suggestions. It's the norm, and it's how we start off life.
It is belief in such things which is active, not disbelief.
It's common for people from mono-theistic cultures (even many non-believers) to get this the wrong way around when discussing whatever it is they call "god".
I'm away for a couple of days, but if you disagree with me, I'll explain in more detail, as this is an important misconception that we see elsewhere on this thread and frequently on EvC.
Cheers.

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Straggler
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Message 389 of 577 (565343)
06-16-2010 8:53 AM
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06-15-2010 6:46 PM


Re: Unknown underlying philosophy.
The answer is your atheist philosophy.
I have a 3 month old son and a 4 year old son.
Which gods do they believe in? Are they atheists? Do they have a philosophy?

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Straggler
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Message 390 of 577 (565344)
06-16-2010 8:57 AM
Reply to: Message 387 by MatterWave
06-16-2010 2:07 AM


Re: Unknown underlying philosophy.
MW writes:
You don't believe in god, that's your philosophy.
DA writes:
Is not believing in the Tooth Fairy also a philosophy?
MW writes:
If i said "the Tooth Fairy" exists(e.g. in some other dimension or reality or when i die), that'd be my philosophy.
And if you don't believe the Tooth Fairy exists - Is that also a philosophy?
How about Santa? Easter Bunny? Gnomes?
So many philosophies....... You must be one hell of a confused philosopher.

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