Hi Jay,
jaywill writes:
Let’s start with the possible meanings of Yom;
The Theological Wordbook of the Old Testament (1980, Moody Press)
"It can denote: 1. the period of light (as contrasted with the period of darkness), 2. the period of twenty-four hours, 3. a general vague "time," 4. a point of time, 5. a year (in the plural; I Sam 27:7; Ex 13:10, etc.)."
#1 The period of Light. Genesis 1:5 And God called the light Day,
#2. The period of twenty-four hours, God called a light period and a dark period the second day. Genesis 1:8 And the evening and the morning were the second day.
The primary meaning matches God's definition.
The secondary meaning matches God's definition.
That is all the definitions God has anything else is manufactured by mankind.
jaywill writes:
from an unused root meaning to be hot; a day (as the warm hours), whether literal (from sunrise to sunset, or from one sunset to the next), or figuratively (a space of time defined by an associated term), [often used adv.]:--age, + always, + chronicles, continually (-ance), daily, ([birth-], each, to) day, (now a, two) days (agone), + elder, end, evening, (for)ever(lasting), ever(more), full, life, as long as (...live), even now, old, outlived, perpetually, presently, remaineth, required, season, since, space, then, (process of) time, as at other times, in trouble, weather (as) when, (a, the, within a) while (that), whole (age), (full) year (-ly), younger
From an unused root meaning to be hot: these words belong in the Etymology. Everything else is commentary.
jaywill writes:
As you can see, Hebrew dictionaries attest to the fact that the word Yom is used for anywhere from 12 hours up to a year, and even a vague "time period" of unspecified length.
I have no problem with a light period lasting for a very long time.
We have one that lasted from the beginning until darkness in Genesis 1:2.
We will have another when we have the New Heaven and the New Earth.
John writes:
Revvelation 22:5 And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.
jaywill writes:
It is interesting to note that in 67 verses in the Old Testament, the word Yom is translated into the English word "time." For instance, in Genesis 4:3, it says "And in process of time it came to pass, that Cain brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto the Lord." In this instance, Yom refers to a growing season, probably several months.
If Genesis 4:3 took place in the DAY the Lord God created the Heaven and the Earth as the text declares there was only a light period.
jaywill writes:
Again, in Deuteronomy 10:10, it refers to a "time" equal to forty days.
What is wrong with a plural of days being refered to as time?
One day is not refered to as time. But a plural of days.
jaywill writes:
In I Kings 11:42, it says "And the time that Solomon reigned in Jerusalem over all Israel was forty years." In this case, Yom translated as the word "time" is equivalent to a 40 year period.
Had days been used instead of time it would have been a more correct translation.
When yowm is plural it means a multiple of day which equals days.
jaywill writes:
Four times in the Old Testament Yom is translated "year." In I Kings 1:1, "David was old and stricken in years..."
So why did they not translate it days. Would have meant the same.
jaywill writes:
In 2 Chronicles 21:19, "after the end of two years" and in the very next verse "Thirty and two years old."
Lets back up a few verses.
2Ch 21:5 Jehoram 3088 [was] thirty 7970 and two 8147 years 8141 old 1121 when he began to reign 4427 , and he reigned 4427 eight 8083 years 8141 in Jerusalem 3389.
The number in these verses are strong's numbers.
Notice the number for years 8141 shaneh (in pl. only),
This Hebrew word means:
1) year
a) as division of time
b) as measure of time
c) as indication of age
d) a lifetime (of years of life)
Now to the verse you mentioned.
2Ch 21:19 And it came to pass, that in process of time 3117, after 3318 6256 the end 7093 of two 8147 years 3117, his bowels 4578 fell out 3318 by reason 5973 of his sickness 2483: so he died 4191 of sore 7451 diseases 8463. And his people 5971 made 6213 no burning 8316 for him, like the burning 8316 of his fathers 1.
Notice the number for the word translated years 3117 is yowm
If you will notice "And it came to pass, that in process of time" is all translated from yowm
Do you think it possible the writer forgot what the word for years was in the course of 14 verses? Or was the translators taking liberty to try to make the Hebrew language understandable.
jaywill writes:
Finally, in Amos 4:4, "...and your tithes after three years."
Amo 4:4 Come 935 to Bethel 1008, and transgress 6586 ; at Gilgal 1537 multiply 7235 transgression 6586 ; and bring 935 your sacrifices 2077 every morning 1242, [and] your tithes 4643 after three 7969 years 3117:
The words in the Hebrew would be: Come 935 Bethel 1008, transgress 6586 ; Gilgal 1537 multiply 7235 transgression 6586 ; bring 935 sacrifices 2077 morning 1242, tithes 4643 three 7969 days 3117: This is word for word translation.
The writer knew the Hebrew word for years as it appears in Amos 2:10 and 5:25.
jaywill writes:
In each case, Yom represents years, not days.
In no case does yowm repesent years.
In the verses you presented the translators used years instead of days. So the translators was telling you it was years instead of days. The meaning of words do not change. The translators did try to make the Hebrew language understandable. You should have see us as we tried speak as they did and understand their language in Hebrew class. It was a comedy in action.
jaywill writes:
Eight times in the Old Testament Yom is translated "age." These range from sentences like "stricken in age," meaning old age (Genesis 18:11 and 24:1;
Gen 18:11 Now Abraham 85 and Sarah 8283 [were] old 2205 [and] well stricken 935 in age 3117; [and] it ceased 2308 to be with Sarah 8283 after the manner 734 of women 802.
Gen 24:1 And Abraham 85 was old 2204 , [and] well stricken 935 in age 3117: and the LORD 3068 had blessed 1288 Abraham 85 in all things.
Days would have given the same meaning and been an accurate translation.
In
Gen 25:8 Then Abraham 85 gave up the ghost 1478 , and died 4191 in a good 2896 old age 7872, an old man 2205, and full 7649 [of years]; and was gathered 622 to his people 5971.
The Hebrew word seybah which means age was used so Moses knew what word to use for age.
jaywill writes:
Joshua 23:1 and 23:2),
Jos 23:1 And it came to pass a long 7227 time 3117 after 310 that the LORD 3068 had given rest 5117 unto Israel 3478 from all their enemies 341 round about 5439, that Joshua 3091 waxed old 2204 [and] stricken 935 in age 3117.
Jos 23:2 And Joshua 3091 called 7121 for all Israel 3478, [and] for their elders 2205, and for their heads 7218, and for their judges 8199 , and for their officers 7860 , and said 559 unto them, I am old 2204 [and] stricken 935 in age 3117:
Days would give the same meaning.
jaywill writes:
and other times it says "old age" (Genesis 21:2, Genesis 21:7).
Gen 21:2 For Sarah 8283 conceived 2029 , and bare 3205 Abraham 85 a son 1121 in his old age 2208, at the set time 4150 of which God 430 had spoken 1696 to him.
Gen 21:7 And she said 559 , Who would have said 4448 unto Abraham 85, that Sarah 8283 should have given children 1121 suck 3243 ? for I have born 3205 [him] a son 1121 in his old age 2208.
The number 2208 Hebrew word zaqun means 1) old age, extreme old age.
If you pay close attention 2208 is used in both verses.
Your source sucks they can't even get verses where yowm is translated as something other than day or days.
jaywill writes:
Genesis 47:28 refers to "the whole age of Jacob," therefore yom here refers to an entire lifetime.
Gen 47:28 And Jacob 3290 lived 2421 in the land 776 of Egypt 4714 seventeen 6240 7651 years 8141: so the whole age 2416 3117 of Jacob 3290 was an hundred 3967 forty 705 8141 and seven 7651 years 8141.
so the whole age 2416 3117
2416 Hebrew word chay meaning 1) living, alive
3117 yowm Hebrew word meaning day or days in this case.
Please notice Moses knew the word for years 3141 shaneh (in pl.),
jaywill writes:
In Zechariah 8:4, it says old men and women will sit in the streets of Jerusalem, "each with cane in hand because of his age."
Zec 8:4 Thus saith 559 the LORD 3068 of hosts 6635; There shall yet old men 2205 and old women 2205 dwell 3427 in the streets 7339 of Jerusalem 3389, and every man 376 with his staff 4938 in his hand 3027 for very 7230 age 3117.
for very 7230 Hebrew word rob means 1) multitude, abundance, greatness.
What would have been wrong with translating the words which would have said multitude days?
jaywill writes:
Ago
One time Yom is translated "ago." 1 Samuel 9:20 says "As for the donkeys you lost three days ago, ..."
1Sa 9:20 And as for thine asses 860 that were lost 6 three 7969 days 3117 ago 3117, set 7760 not thy mind 3820 on them; for they are found 4672 . And on whom [is] all the desire 2532 of Israel 3478? [Is it] not on thee, and on all thy father's 1 house 1004?
3117 appears in the Hebrew text only one time so the second one was added by the translators unless they had a different text than my program has, and it has several.
jaywill writes:
Always
Four times yom is translated as "always," in Deuteronomy 5:29, 6:24, 14:23, and in 2 Chronicles 18:7. Always here can be interpreted as a lifetime...for instance, we are to keep the commandments of the Lord always (Deut. 5:29).
Deu 5:29 O that there were such 2088 an 4310 heart 3824 in them 5414 , that they would fear 3372 me, and keep 8104 all my commandments 4687 always 3117, that it might be well 3190 with them, and with their children 1121 for ever 5769!
I would have translated yowm as daily.
Deu 6:24 And the LORD 3068 commanded 6680 us to do 6213 all these statutes 2706, to fear 3372 the LORD 3068 our God 430, for our good 2896 always 3117, that he might preserve us alive 2421 , as [it is] at this day 3117.
Again daily.
I wonder why your source did not use
Deu 11:12 A land 776 which the LORD 3068 thy God 430 careth for 1875 : the eyes 5869 of the LORD 3068 thy God 430 [are] always 8548 upon it, from the beginning 7225 of the year 8141 even unto the end 319 of the year 8141.
always 8548 Hebrew word tamiyd which means 1) continuity, perpetuity, to stretch.
Deu 14:23 And thou shalt eat 398 before 6440 the LORD 3068 thy God 430, in the place 4725 which he shall choose 977 to place 7931 his name 8034 there, the tithe 4643 of thy corn 1715, of thy wine 8492, and of thine oil 3323, and the firstlings 1062 of thy herds 1241 and of thy flocks 6629; that thou mayest learn 3925 to fear 3372 the LORD 3068 thy God 430 always 3117.
Daily would suffice.
I wonder why your source did not use:
1Ch 16:15 Be ye mindful 2142 always 5769 of his covenant 1285; the word 1697 [which] he commanded 6680 to a thousand 505 generations 1755;
always 5769 another Hebrew word `owlam which means 1) long duration, antiquity, futurity, for ever, ever, everlasting,
You see the Hebrew language had words that was not used.
2Ch 18:7 And the king 4428 of Israel 3478 said 559 unto Jehoshaphat 3092, [There is] yet one 259 man 376, by whom we may enquire 1875 of the LORD 3068: but I hate 8130 him; for he never prophesied 5012 good 2896 unto me, but always 3117 evil 7451: the same [is] Micaiah 4321 the son 1121 of Imla 3229. And Jehoshaphat 3092 said 559 , Let not the king 4428 say 559 so.
unto me, but always 3117 they got a little creative with that one didn't they. It would have been better to leave it good daily....
jaywill writes:
Season
Three times yom is translated "season." In Genesis 40:4, "...and they continued a season in ward." Again, in Joshua 24:7, "dwelt in the wilderness a long season," and in 2 Chronicles 15:3, "...a long season Israel hath been...". In each case yom represents a multi-month period.
Gen 40:4 And the captain 8269 of the guard 2876 charged 6485 Joseph 3130 with them, and he served 8334 them: and they continued a season 3117 in ward 4929.
them: and they continued a season 3117, this entire phrase comes from the word yowm.
Prisoners count their time in jail in days.
Jos 24:7 And when they cried 6817 unto the LORD 3068, he put 7760 darkness 3990 between you and the Egyptians 4713, and brought 935 the sea 3220 upon them, and covered 3680 them; and your eyes 5869 have seen 7200 what I have done 6213 in Egypt 4714: and ye dwelt 3427 in the wilderness 4057 a long 7227 season 3117.
a long 7227 Hebrew word rab which means 1) much, many, great.
season 3117 Hebrew word yowm means day, days
Translation of these two words "many days".
2Ch 15:3 Now for a long 7227 season 3117 Israel 3478 [hath been] without 3808 the true 571 God 430, and without a teaching 3384 priest 3548, and without law 8451.
You have the same construction here.
jaywill writes:
Chronicles
When used in conjunction with the word dbr, yom is translated "chronicles" (27 times).
And in each instantance days would have been just as good.
jaywill writes:
When used in conjunction with kwl, yom is translated as "continually" (11 times). Once, in Psalm 139:16, it is translated continuance (without the kwl).
Continually is in the OT 74 times.
Yowm was translated continually 10 times and daily would have been just as good, and more accurate.
The Hebrew word for continually is tamiyd which means: 1) continuity, perpetuity, to stretch.
jaywill writes:
In one instance, when yom is used in conjunction with kwl, Yom is translated "evermore." Deuteronomy 28:29, "...and thou shalt be only oppressed and spoiled evermore;" thus representing either a lifetime or eternity.
Daily would be fine. But an eternal day would be better.
Because in eternity there will be only now, existence.
jaywill writes:
As you can see, Yom is used in a wide variety of situations related to the concept of time. Yom is not just for days...it is for time in general. How it is translated depends on the context of its use with other words.
The word yowm can be used any way someone might choose to use it.
But when used correctly it means day or days nothing more or less.
I hope you appreciate the 4 hours I spent chasing down things that I already knew so I could point them out to you.
You need to check your source material and make sure the people you are following know what they are talking about.
God Bless,
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