Did Mod cause the collapse of evcforum?

Still in shock, I see...

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"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from mistaken conviction." — Blaise Pascal

Even if it's not true, it should be

Just let me know when you guys are ready for me to prove it, and I will Does this sound familiar, Cave:"I'm a recovering Christian" - Hyro"Obvious a mile away from those in similar circumstances" - CaveEdited by Hyroglyphx, : No reason given.

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"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from mistaken conviction." — Blaise Pascal

Can't take it back now.... The genie is out of the bottle.

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"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from mistaken conviction." — Blaise Pascal

I was waiting for someone to pick up on that! I had suspected you and/or Percy have known for some time (or at least suspected) but kept it under wraps. Yes, yes I do. And if you the hammer of God needs to strike down on me, I will accept whatever fate is given. Just bear in mind that I didn't have to reveal myself. There are a few reasons I did1. When I was going to come back, my Nemmy account was closed.
2. I had changed, and in a sense, didn't Nem die when Hyro was born? I'm obviously the same person, but my views are very different now.So now I must clear the air. I legitimately was away from the forum twice, each time for about 8 months at a time. What can I say, my philosophies have evolved, much to the pleasure of many I'm sure.To be perfectly honest, the biggest reason I didn't say anything was not because I was afraid of what my former detractos would think of me, but for the sake of Buzsaw. And Buz, if you're out there watching, it's you I want to apologize to more than anyone.As a former Christian, I know it hurts to see your friends fall off the beaten path. I didn't want you to see me in my apostate condition, so, like the story of Jonah, I tried to hide from God (only in this case, I tried to hide from you). I remember that you were very fond of me and I feel like I am letting you down. So, I am sorry, 'ole buddy. It was pains me as I type this.Along the way I have left several hints. For instance, when Crash came back a few months ago to explain his absence, I left an image of the same artist who rendered the drawing of my former Admin avatar. I thought for sure he would have picked up on it. (I'm too lazy to go link it now, but feel free to go to that thread to corroborate it).Likewise, Oni asked me how I knew so much about EvC's past. I can't quite remember what I said, but they were big hints to anyone paying attention.Plus my mannerisms and writing-style gives me away, along with how do my quotes. It's fairly unique.Of course I wanted to tell you all, and almost have on so many occasions. But it was the thought of breaking Buzsaw's heart that has kept me incognito for so long.No doubt Crash will use this measure of dishonesty to prove that I am capable of being diabolically clever. That was a reason not to come out of the shadows, but you know what? I stand by everything that's been said, then and now.It's the truth that I have NEVER compared homosexuals (whom I have no objections too whatsoever these days, I'm pleased to report) to pedophiles, incest, polygamy, zoophiles, yada, yada. The evidence is all documented, and it seems that I have been vindicated by people who didn't like my former self.Any other questions you might have, feel free to ask.

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"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from mistaken conviction." — Blaise Pascal

Yeah, I'm fairly convinced the only reason people never knew was because it was such a large philosophical departure of my former self. I don't know if NJ will ever come back, but he and Hyro do share the same birth name.

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"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from mistaken conviction." — Blaise Pascal

Well, I was homophobic and a bit of a doucher. I didn't like the idea of homosexuality because my God didn't like it. But I didn't hide that fact. And I believed that they were in sin and couldn't see the light. Turns out that it was me who couldn't see the light.But I meant then, as much as I do now, that I never hated them. That is the honest truth. And back then it was very much about my fascination for absolutes vs relativism. You, Straggler, CS, Modulous, Cavediver, etc, having accurately understood what I said back then.So when I saw Crash in here slandering the 'ole Nemmy Juggs, I decided to defend something I know damn well was not true.I mean, didn't anyone wonder why someone who was allegedly not here for the old days had such a vested interest in defending someone he never met?!?!?! It's not that I defend my former self or my former beliefs. I am defending the sincerity of my former self. What you saw as NJ was the truth, not some clever Jedi mind trick. Crash inadvertantly gave me wayyyy more credit than I was worth.

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"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from mistaken conviction." — Blaise Pascal

I have no objections to that Perhaps he will give me leniency for admitting my crimes. You know what, I deleted it. I think it was too obvious so I edited it. I've been looking for the image on the net and can't find it. Remember my old AdminNem avatar? That was essentially embedded in the image. I couldn't pinpoint any one thing, because as it is with evolution or watching your fingernails grow, imperceptibly small changes lead to the big picture one step at a time.Suffice it to say that there have been some personal reasons that lead to the doubting. I felt abandoned a lot of the time, and the more I delved in to the bible, the more apparent the folly of it was. When you pray with sincerity, over and over and over and over again, yet you're told, "ask, and you shall recieve," "knock and the door will open to you," and you didn't recieve, and the door didn't open, well, it's a terrible feeling.The part that really fucks with my head is that before I joined the forum I had what seems to be a genuine experience with God. To this day I can't say if it was real or if I had wanted it to be real.Really all I have done is gone back to my former-former self. I started my journey as an agnostic, and now I've come full circle. I await instructions from the Mothership, which may not be there at all.

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"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from mistaken conviction." — Blaise Pascal

Why do you have such a hard-on for me, still? I guess I just don't understand how you can be this pissed about nothing. Because at the end of the day, your only real argument is that you were offended.Well, okay... Do you not recall all the threads I created to apologize to people, even when I didn't think I had to? Some of you spit in my face even when I apologized! Do you not recall Berb and I had plans to meet for lunch in L.A.?Look, I get it. I was a homophobe and a typical fundy. And I engaged in a shit-ton of controversial topics that pissed a lot of people off. But I did earn a lot of people's respect, even amongst those who pretty much despised my ideologies. More importantly, I didn't do what you're claiming I did.If you hated NJ, I get it. That's fine. To be perfectly honest, I didn't give a shit then and I don't care now. I knew it came with the territory. And for how vile many people were to me, I rarely came unglued and I certainly didn't say anything like you and Berb and Dan were claiming.Since I didn't do that, that's why I wasn't suspended. The only thing they could suspend me for was my Austin Powers joke. (I'm sorry, but I couldn't resist at the time! Someone else opened the door, I just walked in)Anyway, so the bottom line is that you wanted to punish me for my unpopular beliefs about homosexuality. That's it. Well, even though I don't like homophobia, what I dislike even more is punishing people for their beliefs. This isn't North Korea, Crash. And the moderators are not tasked to be the Gestapo.What do you want me to do? I apologized back then and I'll apologize now. But I know what I did say and what I didn;t say. Your accusations are baseless. I think it's just that you hate me, not that I had a seething hatred for homosexuals.

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"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from mistaken conviction." — Blaise Pascal

Double postEdited by Hyroglyphx, : No reason given.

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"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from mistaken conviction." — Blaise Pascal

I can't disagree with anything you said. That's a fair and accurate depiction

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"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from mistaken conviction." — Blaise Pascal

Sometimes truth is stranger than fiction. Well, lets look at the parallels.

Both Hyro and NJ were born in Miami, FL

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Both Hyro and NJ are employed by the US Coast Guard.

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Both Hyro and NJ lived in Portland, OR and San Pedro, CA contemporaneously.

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NJ's email was hyroglyphx77@yahoo for a long time before I changed it. That coincidence would have been far too coincidental.

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I've been making several veiled references to it, which have already been pointed out.

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Both hyro and NJ are douchebags (probably the strongest parallel)

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"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from mistaken conviction." — Blaise Pascal

If I was an incredibly disingenuous and despicable person, I probably wouldn't have told the forum who I was.Make your own judgments though and assess the situation as best as you see fit. If you think I'm a piece of crap, you're certainly entitled to that opinion. You wouldn't be the first.

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"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from mistaken conviction." — Blaise Pascal

Heh... What can I say, I guess I'm an habitual offender. Some habits are harder to break than others.

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"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from mistaken conviction." — Blaise Pascal

LOL! Yes, that's the truth. I think I'm considered an old member, but I pale in comparison to some of our resident EvC members. I'm considered New School compared to them. NJ could really incur the wrath of the forum. It has taken some getting used not being dogpiled anymore. Imagine Will Smith against the pissed off zombies in I Am Legend. That's kind of what it feels like for the fundy's on the forum. Yeah, that would kind of suck. I don't know, we'll see. I didn't have to reveal myself, I just felt like maybe I should. My main concern is Buzsaw, ironically enough. I feel like a wayward teenager letting down his dad. It's that kind of terrible feeling.

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"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from mistaken conviction." — Blaise Pascal

Still, I can't really walk back the stuff I said about you.

I don't expect you to. It was not exactly a mystery that you and I butted heads. Even still, we had our moments of burying the hatchet... At least until I derailed a thread about the morality of homosexuality, and then process repeated!

You were offensive, people told you you were offensive, and instead of making amends and changing your behavior - for the sake of appearances, a self-serving advantage in pretending to be the bigger guy, even because it would have been the Christian thing to do - you doubled-down and chased Berberry into GenDiscMod11 to harass him.

I knew that people were offended, but I tried to express my opinions without being overtly offensive. I felt like unless I completely emasculated my position, there was nothing that I could say which would not be seen as offensive.

Outside of what I've already said in this thread I don't intend to chase you around the forum to harangue you with your past. You'll get no problem from me, I promise.

Cool, I appreciate you giving me the opportunity for a fresh start.

Cold readers do it by instinct too, you know. Frequently aggresive bigotry is not a conscious choice.

Well, then perhaps Percy was right. Maybe I wasn't trying to consciously "gay-bait" but was gay-baiting.

Anyway. Like I said, your past is of no more concern to me, I promise. I'm prepared to consider the posts under NemJug to be those of another person, since it's clear you've put that person behind you.

Thank you. I guess this means something good for you too. This means that I admit that I was wrong and you were right. You always defended homosexuality, and now I do too. So in that way I give you whatever credit you deserve in swaying my perception. I imagine everyone's testimony over the years, along with personal experience, has played a large role in my transformation.

Sounds a lot like my own journey.

It's funny you say that, because I recall a thread you made about how you used to be a Christian. I remember wondering if my journey was anything like your own. Now I know I don't know if you plan on staying at EvC for the long haul or if you stopped by for a moment, but I'm glad we were able to set aside our differences, regardless. Edited by Hyroglyphx, : No reason given.

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"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from mistaken conviction." — Blaise Pascal