Hi Dr,
Dr Adequate writes:
The very most you could argue by trying to make the existence of the programmer part of the simulation (which he is not) is that some sort of intelligent designer would be required to make a universe in which evolution then happened by itself.
The only thing I have been argueing is that all information is created by an intelligent being.
Dr Adequate writes:
And no-one has disputed that. So maybe you could stop saying it now, and address the point actually under discussion.
I take it from this you are agreeing that all information stored in a computer and the information that makes it run has been created by an intelligent being.
If so:
Would you also agree that all information stored in books, magazines, newspapers, on tapes, cd's, dvd's, records, and any other media we have stored information on or will store information on was created by an intelligent being?
Would you also agree that all the information that goes out over the TV's and radios regardless of storage media was also created by an intelligent being.
In
Message 334 you said:
Dr Adequate writes:
I thought that the genome was the entirety of an organism's hereditary information and is contained in the DNA except in many types of virus the RNA.
This is true. I have no idea why you think it is a reply to what I posted.
I take that to mean you believe human DNA contains information.
I take it from
Message 349 where you said:
Dr Adequate writes:
I view information as a message stored on some media, a means of delivering that information and a receptor of that information that can understand and use it.
A few objections come to mind.
The first is that ribosomes do not
understand mRNA.
The second is that in that case a protein sequence would not constitute information, since there's no receptor --- but perhaps you're happy with that.
The third is that I'm not sure that "message" is the right word for the information on the genome ... perhaps now you should try to define the word "message". Without using the word "information", of course.
That you disagree with the following:
DNA contains four nucleotides, the total number of possible codons is 64; hence, there is some redundancy in the genetic code, with some amino acids specified by more than one codon.[12] Genes encoded in DNA are first transcribed into pre-messenger RNA (mRNA) by proteins such as RNA polymerase. Most organisms then process the pre-mRNA (also known as a primary transcript) using various forms of post-transcriptional modification to form the mature mRNA, which is then used as a template for protein synthesis by the ribosome.
Source
When DNA reproduces, the 2 strands unzip from each other and enzymes add new bases to each, thus forming two new strands. This process is illustrated in the Access Excellence DNA Replicating Itself page (just hit your browser's Back button to return here).
Within this coil of DNA lies all the information needed to produce everything in the human body. A strand of DNA may be millions, or billions, of base-pairs long. Different segments of the DNA molecule code for different characteristics in the body.
Transcription: In the first step of protein synthesis, the 2 DNA strands in a gene that codes for a protein unzip from each other. Similar to the way DNA replicates itself, a single strand of messenger RNA (mRNA) is then made by pairing up mRNA bases with the exposed DNA nucleotide bases.
Translation: After the mRNA is manufactured, it leaves the cell nucleus and travels to a cellular organelle called the ribosome (we will learn about the cell, nucleus and ribosome in the next lesson). In the ribosome, the mRNA code is translated into a transfer RNA (tRNA) code which, in turn, is transfered into a protein sequence.
There are two principal stages in protein synthesis. The first stage is transcription, in which the information encoded in DNA is copied onto a length of messenger RNA (mRNA), which in eukaryotes moves from the cell nucleus to structures in the cytoplasm called ribosomes. The second stage is translation, in which amino acids are linked together at the ribosomes in the order specified by the mRNA sequence.
Source
You have agreed that there is information in human DNA.
Now do you disagree with these sources that that tell us:
This information is transfered from the DNA...
By the messenger RNA which is created by the DNA.
To the ribsomes which takes the information that was stored in the DNA and create 1 of the hundred's of thousands of protein's
needed by the cell.
Do you agree or disagree with this information from these sources?
If you disagree could you present some sources that agree with your position?
This information meets the requirments I gave for information.
Information, = stored in DNA
Messenger, = messenger RNA
Receptor, = Ribsome
God Bless,
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