Falsifying Creation

HI TC!!! you're missing all the fun back in the other forum! im dying to hear some of your responses. if you don't give any, i suppose ill be forced to copy n paste the convos into this forum!

i refresh this page, but i can't see the new messages...

may i ask a very simple question?why aren't humans or any other modern animal for that matter found fossilized?no lionsno humansno ratsno slothsno koalasno kangaroosno primates (modern)no cat-like speciesno human tools (a hammer)no childrenno cattleno cropsno horsesall we see are primitive animals in a neat geological order. the more primitive, the lower in the strata.and why do we find fossils of the following (keep in mind that the following would be fossilized in a downpour that covered the entire planet in water.)?fossilized dinosaur nests
ant nests
termite nests
bird nests (of a relative of the flamingo in the Green River Formation in Wyoming)
fragile wasp nests
complex rodent burrows
animal dung left in its original position of deposition as it hardened on dry, solid ground
trackways of land animals
raindrop imprints
fossilized mudcracks
fragile things preserved as fossils, such as bird feathers (Confuciusornis)
ferns (adjacent to coal beds)
insects (Oligocene lake beds near Florrisant, CO),All these fragile features are found deep in the geological record. A catastrophic flood would have destroyed them. I would especially like you to consider how raindrop imprints and mudcracks could have become fossilized in a sudden, massive flood.

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Originally posted by John Paul:
You are free to disagree. If purely natural processes are shown to be enough to account for everything, the Creation account would fall just as sure as a house of cards would fall when struck by the wind of a fan. IOW, it would be falsified. There is no doubt about that in the minds of learned Creationists.
Origins is a historical science, as such is highly speculative and based upon one's worldview as much as it is upon evidence. No one has been able to give me a logical reason why origins matters at all. Go figure.

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I guess you didn't realise what I was disagreeing on. The Theory of Evolution is the study and belief that life came about over time. How would proving that dissaprove a creator? Maybe immediate creation like you believe, but that is all. No matter what science finds out (unless they work out how energy comes from a non existant source, which would go against a well demonstrated law), than God can always sit on top of it all.
What you have to realise is working out how the wheels go around will never prove a God didn't put those wheels in motion in the first place.

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Science isn't around to explain the meaning of life. that's up to theology, philosophy, and religion.but you assume that god is infinite, no? if he is infinite, why can't the universe (or cosmos) be infinite as well? if it is, it would not require a creator...but again- this is not science, this is speculation.science doesn't touch on the final origins of the universe. It simply proposes theories regarding the physical nature of the universe. it can tell you that time is relative, it can explain to you why this is possible, but in the end, it can't tell you why time is relative in the first place.

moving this to the topyecs- see my questions above...

TChere is my question:why do we not find any fossilized animals, that are modern...why do we find the strata so neatly formed...

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"Why? This would be precisely required by your Flood. That these anomalies don't exist provides pretty damning evidence against the Flood being real."
--Because as I stated earlier in the post, the flood did not just all of a soden flood the world with 500+ feet of water at every point on earth to give this randomness. My theory on flooding is ice cap's melting some from the heating of the oceans which would flood the world and then with the massive global vapor saturation in the atmosphere rain for 40 days and a rebuilding of the polar ice caps from a slight nuclear winter.

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awwww- isn't that precious? a creationist making things up so that the bible makes more sense.... that's just so sweet- no really it is. it's another example of how very flawed creationism is...ps- wasn't it god that made the flood?pss- didn't he abruptly stop the water from falling, and then create a rainbow in the cloud, tell us that he'd never flood the planet again?psss- that pesky ark just can't stay discovered. always turning up in different places...