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Rrhain Member Posts: 6351 From: San Diego, CA, USA Joined: |
riVeRraT writes:
quote: That's why so many Christians get away with it. The typical US terrorist is a white, Christian male. Just like you, riVeRraT.
quote: Bullshit. That's precisely what you are saying. Otherwise, why would you be so paranoid about it? Why aren't you protesting Bill Keller's little endeavour? He comes from a violent religion that has a long history of terrorist attacks here in the United States. Why aren't you concerned about him?
quote: Let's not play dumb, shall we? Since the Bush Administration already investigated and you're still paranoid about him, what more information could possibly be brought forward that would get you to calm down? You're calling him a sleeper terrorist ("It is a terrorists [sic] job to hide in plain sight.")
quote: Constitutional violations of fundamental rights to be left alone and be free from governmental intrusion.
quote: And that's why you allow everybody to observe absolutely every single moment of your life without ever demanding privacy, right? You record every single moment and send it to the government, right? I'm sure you'll feel perfectly fine in having me "investigate" you to ensure that you're not hiding something, right? After all, you're a white, male Christian. The most likely source of terrorism in the US.
quote: And it's wrong every single time.
quote: He already has. By people much more likely to fly off the handle over imagined things. What more could you possibly learn that will assuage your paranoia? Rrhain Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time. Minds are like parachutes. Just because you've lost yours doesn't mean you can use mine.
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Rrhain Member Posts: 6351 From: San Diego, CA, USA Joined: |
Coyote writes:
quote: Exactly how many do you think do this? And why is it you seem to ignore it when the Christians do it?
quote: You do realize that the video you saw wasn't actually what it was claimed to be, yes? And why didn't you complain when Christians did it? They're still doing it. They just went to court in Kansas to keep doing it...and won.
quote: As already pointed out...what makes you think those were "riots"? After all, most of the people who died were killed at the hands of the police. It would seem that the biggest problem was the watchers. And why is it when the Christians do it, you don't call them riots?
quote: When you start having some perspective and treat Christians the same way you treat phantom Muslims, then your proclamations about what Muslims "ought" to do might have some validity. Rrhain Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time. Minds are like parachutes. Just because you've lost yours doesn't mean you can use mine.
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Rrhain Member Posts: 6351 From: San Diego, CA, USA Joined: |
Huntard writes:
quote: So Taz is a terrorist? Because that's what you're saying. Rrhain Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time. Minds are like parachutes. Just because you've lost yours doesn't mean you can use mine.
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Rrhain Member Posts: 6351 From: San Diego, CA, USA Joined: |
Huntard writes:
quote: Same question to you as to onifre: Who are "they"? It's so easy to be against "them" when you don't know who "they" are. Rrhain Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time. Minds are like parachutes. Just because you've lost yours doesn't mean you can use mine.
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Rrhain Member Posts: 6351 From: San Diego, CA, USA Joined: |
riVeRraT responds to me:
quote: Did you or did you not say in Message 273:
You are sacrificing our safety, and our freedom just to dis-agree with me. That is what it seems. I agree that there is plenty of hate groups in America (as I pointed out already) and it is well within their right to do so. But we are at war jar. And when you are at war, you don't let the enemy set up camp in your fucking house. We should have let the Germans build their first jets back in WW2 here, because there is the constitution..... Hitler could have gave is speeches on the white house lawn too. "Sacrificing our safety"? Just what do you think is going to happen if two Muslims are allowed to get together?
quote: The #2 shareholder in News Corp (you know...Fox) is putting up the money. Why don't you know this? Did you bother to do any homework before jumping in?
quote: If you agree, why are you only singling out the Muslims? You'll have your hands full trying to keep up with the Christian crazies.
quote: You mean you didn't write Message 273?
quote: What "fact" have you ever stated?
quote: Yes. And you haven't given any reason other than paranoia.
quote: Really? What? What, exactly, is going on? Be specific.
quote: And who are these "people" you're willing to shred the Constitution for? It's so easy to be against "them" when you don't have to actually come up with any real people for "them" to be.
quote: Why does anybody need to be investigated? Just because you can't keep from hyperventilating?
quote: People are free to be foolish. Why do you think the government needs to be involved? Rrhain Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time. Minds are like parachutes. Just because you've lost yours doesn't mean you can use mine.
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Rrhain Member Posts: 6351 From: San Diego, CA, USA Joined: |
riVeRraT writes:
quote: No. "Someone said" is hardly grounds for search.
quote: Hardly. Does the phrase "probable cause" mean anything to you? Exactly what do you think is happening? Be specific. Rrhain Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time. Minds are like parachutes. Just because you've lost yours doesn't mean you can use mine.
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Rrhain Member Posts: 6351 From: San Diego, CA, USA Joined: |
riVeRraT writes:
quote: What does that have to do with anything? You also want Muslims under investigation. That's the problem.
quote: Yes, we are. You seem to want investigations, and we have an actual person who is part of a tradition that here in the United States has a long history of violent behaviour...in fact, is responsible for the biggest terrorist attack the country had ever seen not to mention the most common source for all terrorist attacks...and you "have no idea who he is." In other words, you only seem to get upset with regard to Muslims, not Christians.
quote: You do realize that those two things have nothing to do with each other, yes? Just because the news isn't covering it (and by the way, it is...the fact that you aren't paying attention is not evidence that it isn't being covered. I don't live in New York. Where do you think I learned about him?) doesn't mean it doesn't affect your little world. But let's go with it. This center also doesn't affect your little world, but you seem to want people investigated.
quote: But you made a general statement. Keller matches precisely the person you're complaining about. Ergo, you're calling him a terrorist. Oh, I see...it only counts when you fling your accusations at Muslims. Now that you've heard about a Christian, you're backpedaling furiously. Rather than living up to the courage of your convictions and saying this guy really needs to be kept under constant watch by the FBI, you're whining that we're somehow changing the topic.
quote: Right. That's the logical conclusion. If "someone said" is a lousy idea for governmental intrusion, then we should refuse to do anything at all. Does the phrase "probable cause" mean anything to you? Just what exactly do you think is happening? Be specific.
quote: I am. I am accusing you of being a terrorist. You're a white, Christian male. You fit the profile. Surely you have no problem with being investigated, right?
quote: Would you know one if it bit you? Rrhain Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time. Minds are like parachutes. Just because you've lost yours doesn't mean you can use mine.
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Rrhain Member Posts: 6351 From: San Diego, CA, USA Joined: |
Coyote writes:
quote: Huh? Australia? Dutch? Why are you ignoring the Christians in the US who are calling for the deaths of their fellow citizens? They just went to court in Kansas to be able to keep it up. And won. Where is your outrage? Why aren't you clamoring for the government to come down on the likes of Falwell and Robertson who get to have television programs where they pray for the deaths of people? Do you know who Wiley Drake is? Why is it you only seem to care when it's a Muslim in a foreign country doing it? Rrhain Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time. Minds are like parachutes. Just because you've lost yours doesn't mean you can use mine.
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Rrhain Member Posts: 6351 From: San Diego, CA, USA Joined: |
onifre responds to me:
quote: Last time I checked, Park51 was not your stage. So no, it doesn't answer the question. We have a very specific scenario that has nothing to do with your profession. It would be nice if you would stop avoiding the question and answer it.
quote: So? Why does something that happens to everybody mean that everybody has to lose something? Why can't the "fair" thing be that we follow what is right rather than try to maintain some sort of faux "equality"?
quote: Huh? That makes no sense. We're not talking about who is getting the potshots thrown at them. We're talking about how we handle the response when potshots are thrown. Group A wants to construct something that Group B doesn't particularly like. How do we determine who goes away without what they want?
quote: Incorrect. You mentioned "them" and I asked you who "they" were. You hemmed and hawed and continued to express vague generalities while I have indicated that I am referring to very specific people. I haven't named them (because there is an actual name to be had) because I am trying to determine if you actually know something about what you're talking about rather than trying to rewrite history. And you have come through with flying colors: You didn't do any background study on the subject but simply rattled off an emotional bomb without thinking. When you got called on it, you immediately backtracked and tried to come up with some sort of justification for your claim...all the while still refusing to do any actual background study on the subject. Who am I talking about, onifre? If you know who I'm talking about, you can give me the name.
quote: Yes, but who are they? See, when you say, "some Muslims," you don't mean any particular people but are referring to some nebulous, unknown, undefined morass of people. When I say, "some Muslims," I have a specific group of people in mind by name. If you are referring to the same people, then you can give me the name. You did do your homework before you started in, yes? Rrhain Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time. Minds are like parachutes. Just because you've lost yours doesn't mean you can use mine.
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Rrhain Member Posts: 6351 From: San Diego, CA, USA Joined: |
onifre responds to me:
quote: What does this have to do with anything? Are they in the US? Were they the ones who wrote into Comedy Central? Once again, you leap to vague, unnamed, undefined people. Who are the specific people you're referring to? Rrhain Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time. Minds are like parachutes. Just because you've lost yours doesn't mean you can use mine.
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Rrhain Member Posts: 6351 From: San Diego, CA, USA Joined: |
onifre responds to me:
quote: Because as a member of society, you have a part to play in how society determines things. But surely you can understand that governmental functioning is not the same as a stand-up performance and thus, different standards of behaviour are expected, yes? Let us stop playing dumb, shall we?
quote: Then why are you bothering to say anything at all in this thread? You don't control Park51, the people who are protesting, the governments of the city of New York, the state of New York, or the country of the United States, or the various builders, planners, and workmen involved in the project. Since you have absolutely no control and thus, "you don't care," why are you bothering to speak about it? Ah, that's because you do care. Shall we stop playing dumb.
quote: By explaining your philosophy regarding freedom of religion, which isn't a one-night stand in Brooklyn.
quote:quote: That isn't what you said before. You said, "If it's fair, everyone will be sad at some point." Really? Why? Why does everybody have to be sad in order for it to be fair?
quote:quote: You tell me. You're the one saying that everybody is going to be sad.
quote: What makes you think they didn't consider Christians before showing that episode?
quote: Now, here's the big part: Why? Can you explain your reasonings that brought you to this conclusion? Is there some legal framework you're drawing from? Use your words, onifre. I know why I came to that conclusion, but I don't know why you did because you keep refusing to elucidate your reasonings despite repeated requests for you to do so.
quote: (*chuckle*) This from the person who brought up "censored on TV" in the first place. If you cannot understand how your own example relates to the matter at hand, then why did you bring it up?
quote: Of course...you haven't done your homework, have no idea who you're talking about, and now that you've been called out on it, you're going to pretend that it doesn't matter.
quote: So who are they? I am not here to do your homework for you, especially since you're the one who brought it up. Rrhain Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time. Minds are like parachutes. Just because you've lost yours doesn't mean you can use mine.
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Rrhain Member Posts: 6351 From: San Diego, CA, USA Joined: |
onifre responds to me:
quote: If you didn't want a response made to your post that you put in a public forum that invites all and sundry to respond, perhaps that wasn't the best place for you to make your statement. Especially when it shows you using the same faulty logic you've been called out on: Pointing at vague, unnamed, undefined people as some sort of threat. Who are the specific people you are referring to?
quote: You tell me. You're the one saying that if you don't have control, you don't care. Well, you certainly don't have any control over the community center in New York, so why are you talking about it here? Do you just need attention? Rrhain Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time. Minds are like parachutes. Just because you've lost yours doesn't mean you can use mine.
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Rrhain Member Posts: 6351 From: San Diego, CA, USA Joined: |
Coyote writes:
quote: So why do you only complain when Muslims do it? Where is your outrage when Christians do it? Rrhain Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time. Minds are like parachutes. Just because you've lost yours doesn't mean you can use mine.
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