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onifre Member (Idle past 2981 days) Posts: 4854 From: Dark Side of the Moon Joined: |
But there is nothing in Shi'a doctrine saying that you are the Imam There is nothing in Catholic doctrine that says you are the Pope. One just gets selected (by whatever criteria a Pope is selected.) Then, his title comes with infallibility. Seems like the same method for an Imam in the Shi'a doctrine. They are waiting for the 12th one to show up, and, by whatever criteria is used, it will then be determined if you are the 12th Imam. Which, in the case of Khomeini, it was. Then, his title comes with infallibility. Not that anyone has to believe that crap though, that I agree with.
Oh, that was your point? What a strange way you have of making it.
Yes, well, Rahvin got my point just fine, back when I was still making that point. Then you jumped in and said Shi'a Imams aren't considered infallible, and here we are. You have since conceded that they are, so - Oni
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But the fact remains that, even if you don't believe the Pope is infallible, Catholic doctrine still says he is. No, the Pope is not, generally, infallible. Its only under specific circumstances that he can be infallible. Pop quiz: When was the last time those circumstances happened?
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onifre Member (Idle past 2981 days) Posts: 4854 From: Dark Side of the Moon Joined: |
No, the Pope is not, generally, infallible. "...in everything he says." You needed to finish that statement. Only when he is in his "chair" as you said. But that means when he is in the official "Pope" position. In other words, if he eats a burger and says: "This is the best burger ever," that is not an infallible statement.
Sourcequote: Pop quiz: When was the last time those circumstances happened?
When he said you were ghey. - Oni
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Iblis Member (Idle past 3926 days) Posts: 663 Joined:
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Pop quiz: When was the last time those circumstances happened? Not counting canonizations, about which there is a controversy, it was John Paul II in 1994, Ordinatio Sacerdotalis, reserving the office of the priesthood to men. I was unaware of this one until researching, as it's an exception to the "extraordinary magisteria" rule which confirms teachings ex cathedra. The last unarguable instance of which I had been aware was 1950, Pius XII, on the Assumption of Mary.
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Dr Adequate Member (Idle past 315 days) Posts: 16113 Joined: |
There is nothing in Catholic doctrine that says you are the Pope. But there is, of coursse, something in Catholic doctrine that says that someone is the Pope.
Yes, well, Rahvin got my point just fine, back when I was still making that point. Then you jumped in and said Shi'a Imams aren't considered infallible, and here we are. You have since conceded that they are, so ... Y'know, if you're going to misrepresent my posts you could be way more creative.
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No, the Pope is not, generally, infallible.
"...in everything he says." You needed to finish that statement. No, it was finished as that. You are wrong to claim that "Catholicism says that the Pope is infallible". Its more correct that he can be infallible, under certain specific circumstances.
Only when he is in his "chair" as you said. But that means when he is in the official "Pope" position. I was refering to Ex Cathedra. Its one of the those specifc circumstances:
quote: Pop quiz: When was the last time those circumstances happened? When he said you were ghey. No homo? Your source has the instances of papal infallibility:
quote: So, really, the Pope is only infallible about 0.00001% of the time. But this is only a part of your wider argument: From Message 132 The ONLY religion where true, infallible authority is found (currently, and ignoring Catholicism for this example) is in the Muslim faith. These infallible men DO define what Islam believes. They CAN make new laws. They DO have actual, unquestionable authority over Islamic doctrine and interpretation. So... If Obama comes out and says the US hates Muslims, that cares absolutely no weight. In fact, he would be fired as president. His opinion would have no bearing on US politics. If a Christian minister came out and said that Christianity does not accept homosexuals, that does NOT mean Christianity as a whole does not accept homosexuals. The minister's opinion would be just that, his opinion, and would have no bearing on Christianity itself. However... If an Imam says women are not allowed to show their face in public, that DOES mean it is Islamic law that women should not show their faces in public. The Imam's interpretation of scripture would have bearing on the Muslim faith since the Imam is infallible and their word is like that of Allah. In these three cases, only one has real authority. So it does matter which religion we are discussing. And when those Imam's call for violence as a resolution, it is like the word of Allah, and as such, it can be said that Islam is a religion that currently promotes violence as a resolution. The reason this is not said for any other religion is because no other religion has infallible, authoritative rule. I think you do have a decent point here, and it actually is on topic unlike me correcting you on Catholic dogma.
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onifre Member (Idle past 2981 days) Posts: 4854 From: Dark Side of the Moon Joined: |
You are wrong to claim that "Catholicism says that the Pope is infallible". Its more correct that he can be infallible, under certain specific circumstances.
Ah ok, cool. Correction noted. But reading the ex cathedra, the church places the decision on the Pope as to when he decides to be infallible.
So, really, the Pope is only infallible about 0.00001% of the time. The Pope's have only decided to be infallible about 0.00001% of the time. - Oni
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frako Member (Idle past 336 days) Posts: 2932 From: slovenija Joined: |
No, it was finished as that. You are wrong to claim that "Catholicism says that the Pope is infallible". Its more correct that he can be infallible, under certain specific circumstances. A, so he is basically like me infallible when im right and not infallible when im wrong .
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Are you saying you're right 0.00001% of the time?
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Artemis Entreri  Suspended Member (Idle past 4259 days) Posts: 1194 From: Northern Virginia Joined: |
Catholic Scientist writes: Pop quiz: When was the last time those circumstances happened? Pope Pius the XII 1950. It has been 60 years since a pope was infalliable. its hilarious to listen to people who think they know what they are taking about when it come to the pope, cause most of the time, like this issue they are clueless. I have stopped explaining infalliability, if someone want to be an idiot I just laugh and let them.
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Catholic Scientist writes:
Pope Pius the XII 1950. It has been 60 years since a pope was infalliable. Pop quiz: When was the last time those circumstances happened? Not technically correct. According to wiki, Pope John Paull II was infallible in 1994 when he deemed that only men could be priest. This was not ex cathedra, but was considered infallible anyways.
quote: Edited by Catholic Scientist, : No reason given.
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Artemis Entreri  Suspended Member (Idle past 4259 days) Posts: 1194 From: Northern Virginia Joined: |
arghhhhhh! you got me.
Love John Paul the Great, SANTO SUBITO! Edited by Artemis Entreri, : I wents to college
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Phat Member Posts: 18351 From: Denver,Colorado USA Joined: Member Rating: 1.0 |
jar writes: many if not most Muslims are as ignorant of the actual history of their religion as most Christians. But the problem is NOT Islam or Christianity, it is the ignorance of the people that allows the leaders to use quote mined passages. I would think that for either "side" having a good public relations strategy is important. Whats on my mind right now is that tragic helicopter attack in Afghanistan that killed many of the U.S. special forces. It seemed to be bad P.R. for the Taliban.
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jar Member (Idle past 424 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Stop and think.
Is it good PR when the US Military strike a Taliban camp? Who are they directing their PR at?Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!
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