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Theodoric Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4 |
I believe states should stay out of other states businesses. It should be left to the Louisianans to discuss what they want to do with it.
So state should be allowed to not follow the Constitution? So if a state wants to legalize slavery it is ok? I mean slippery slope and all.
But this is a slippery slope argument.
The slippery slope is a horrendous argument to make. Unless you can back it up with facts of course.
Fallacy: Slippery Slope I am not picking on you or trying to be rude. I just don't seem to agree with anything you post. Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4
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Because, really, it's none of their business. Federal law and the Constitution is the business of all US citizens.
And how does this issue, of removing anti-evolution laws, effect the Constitution and other laws based on the constitution?
Separation of church and state issues. It goes against settled precedent. Research First Amendment and establishment clause.
quote: Read the link provided in the OP. ABEAnd I will reply to any of your posts that I feel deserve a reply. Edited by Theodoric, : No reason given. Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4 |
It's one thing to discuss things and express an opinion, it's another thing to impose your opinion on people who don't want it.
Please show how not allowing the teaching of creationism in science classes is imposing opinion? Do you think Christian creationism is scientific? Are you familiar with the things a brought earlier e.g. establishment clause, precedent? Have you heard of the Dover trial? Why are you against the people of LA wanting to to change a bad law? Why should they not seek support form other states, especially since this has Constitutional implications. You are just spouting dogma and are not backing anything up with evidence or even a semblance of a coherent argument.
And of course, the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one. The common good is determined by the masses, of course.
Please explain what you are trying to say here. I do not see how this fits into anything else. Edited by Theodoric, : Spelling Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4 |
But yet, science laws teach only scientific opinions in school.
So gravitation is just an opinion?
I personally see no real difference in forcing people to teach only science.
There is a reason it is called science class. Which creation fable should be taught? Do we allow them to teach that leprechauns are a fact?
And wouldn't free speech also apply to creationists as well? Why should science be taught in schools under the guise of free speech when creationism is not taught in schools under free speech.
Because it ISN'T SCIENCE? The courts have determined that very clearly.
They've always been used as strawmen
Do you understand what a strawman is?
and it should be left up to the real experts to determine if they truly decide to include creationism in schools.
Who? Preachers? Religious fundies? Since in 1865 the majority of people in the south still supported slavery, the US should have allowed it to continue? You do realize the lots of states did not support the civil rights acts, should we allow states to decide not o have to follow civil rights laws?
But yes, the Supreme Court does agree that anti-evolution laws do infringe upon free speech rights.
So you feel the Supreme Court decisions are not the law of the land? Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4 |
It doesn't matter if it is a fact or not. People have their beliefs when it comes to fact, and schools have become a great tool for indoctrination of those beliefs. After all, if homosexual literature telling why it's okay to be homosexual, which is a belief and not a fact, then it should be okay to teach that creationism is okay to believe, otherwise, it is discrimination.
Please show evidence of schools distributing "homosexual literature". What is "homosexual literature" anyway? So do you think homosexuality is a choice people make? If so, why would they make that choice? Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4 |
Your beliefs do not effect reality and evidently reality does not effect your beliefs.
Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4 |
Every single time I'm wrong people call me a retard or a child or insult me to no end.
Please show where this has happened Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4 |
Actually I fully believe that religion should be kept out of schools because of how divisive the nature of religion is.
Then why are you supportive of the LA law? Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4 |
And the big money will be on the evolution side. Some of it will be public money, while the creationist money will be all private.
Evidence to back this assertion please. Sorry CS if this request offends your sensibilities. Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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Theodoric Member Posts: 9202 From: Northwest, WI, USA Joined: Member Rating: 3.4 |
A plaintiff suing the government in a civil rights case and winning is allowed to recover the legal costs. So in a sense the plaintiffs' lawyers in Kitzmiller v. Dover did end up being paid with public money. And this will continue so long as creationists continue to get governmental bodies to fight their losing battles for them.
Correct, but that was not what marc9000's assertion implied. Facts don't lie or have an agenda. Facts are just facts
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