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fearandloathing Member (Idle past 4174 days) Posts: 990 From: Burlington, NC, USA Joined: |
yes, as I have been told ,it is an energy conveyer as it takes lots of energy to produce it, as where oil can be converted with a net energy gain.
This may not be the best explanation as it is off the top of my head, but I think its pretty close. "I hate to advocate the use of drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they always worked for me." - Hunter S. Thompson Ad astra per aspera Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione.
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fearandloathing Member (Idle past 4174 days) Posts: 990 From: Burlington, NC, USA Joined: |
crashfrog writes: My understanding is that hydrogen doesn't have much storage density; there's less chemical energy in a bottle of pressurized hydrogen than the mechanical energy stored as pressure! Metal hydrides are better, apparently, but I don't know much about them. (Not my cup of chemistry.) For the most part, I think the "buzz" about hydrogen economy is about one thing - you can pump it into a car like gas. I have seen systems where you can make hydrogen in your garage from natural gas and even from water, both are not cost efficient and it would still be better, for now, to use gas. From an environmental point of view, when you use natural gas to make hydrogen you still have co2 to deal with. "I hate to advocate the use of drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they always worked for me." - Hunter S. Thompson Ad astra per aspera Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione.
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fearandloathing Member (Idle past 4174 days) Posts: 990 From: Burlington, NC, USA Joined: |
Fuel cell tech is coming a long way, in the last 6 months or so I was reading about fuel cells that operate on natural gas, but you still have co2 as an issue.
I think that we have many fossil fuel options left, for now, but green house gases is a concern that cant be ignored. The transition from fossil fuels is not going to be an easy thing to do, I feel we need to try and utilize what we have as efficiently as possible, while working to be non-dependent on them. In the big picture we use fossil fuels for so much more than energy, fertilizer, plastics...ect.All these things we do with it need to be replaced with alternative, renewable sources. Waste treatment plants will one day be a source of fertilizer, and maybe energy from methane, as our landfills could also be a source or energy/materials. Just a thought. "I hate to advocate the use of drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they always worked for me." - Hunter S. Thompson Ad astra per aspera Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione.
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fearandloathing Member (Idle past 4174 days) Posts: 990 From: Burlington, NC, USA Joined: |
jar writes: The US, perhaps more than almost any other country, faces one additional problem. We built our cities and living areas based on cheap gas. We face a situation where for the last thee quarters of a century we expanded where we live, work, grow food and play around cheap gas. I agree, I live in a city of about 50,000, we have no public transit other than taxi. There is a system for the elderly...ect, but no bus. Public transit is a joke for most Americans This is one of many problems we face in USA.. "I hate to advocate the use of drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they always worked for me." - Hunter S. Thompson Ad astra per aspera Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione.
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fearandloathing Member (Idle past 4174 days) Posts: 990 From: Burlington, NC, USA Joined: |
Coyote writes: fearandloathing writes:
Bah! ... I live in a city of about 50,000, we have no public transit other than taxi. There is a system for the elderly...ect, but no bus. Public transit is a joke for most Americans This is one of many problems we face in USA.. Try dragging a three-horse trailer into the back woods with public transit. The silly little libs graduating from Yale and Harvard have no idea what goes on in the real world. Yet they are set to rule us all--for our own good, of course. I am not sure what you mean?? Please clarify, dont forget I am often slow. "I hate to advocate the use of drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they always worked for me." - Hunter S. Thompson Ad astra per aspera Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione.
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fearandloathing Member (Idle past 4174 days) Posts: 990 From: Burlington, NC, USA Joined: |
Coyote writes: fearandloathing writes:
What I am saying is that mass transit is not the solution to all problems, although libs in the northeast seem to think it is. It's for our own good, you know. I am not sure what you mean?? Please clarify, dont forget I am often slow. I agree, it is not a solution to our fossil fuel problem. As far as the politics go, I could care less. I feel it is a small piece to how we can better utilize our remaining supply of fossil fuels. There are many times I would choose to ride the bus if I could, I have lived in city/towns of comparable size that do have have public transit....Oshkosh WI....ect. "I hate to advocate the use of drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they always worked for me." - Hunter S. Thompson Ad astra per aspera Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione.
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fearandloathing Member (Idle past 4174 days) Posts: 990 From: Burlington, NC, USA Joined: |
Coyote writes: You'll be able to rent a 4x4 if needed.
Gee, that's big of you. The guvmnt will come by to save us, real soon now. You libs sure seem good at trying to order our lives for us. Don't know what we'd do without your help. (But I'd like to try.) No one is saying you have to give up your car or truck, I know I wont either. What is being said is that public transit could help reduce our use of fossil fuels. "I hate to advocate the use of drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they always worked for me." - Hunter S. Thompson Ad astra per aspera Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione.
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fearandloathing Member (Idle past 4174 days) Posts: 990 From: Burlington, NC, USA Joined: |
Japan eyeing plan for solar panels on all new buildings-Nikkei TOKYO | Sat May 21, 2011 11:02pm EDT May 22 (Reuters) - Japan, seeking to promote renewable energy as it struggles with the world's worst nuclear crisis in decades, may this week announce a plan to make solar panels compulsory on the roofs of all new buildings by 2030, the Nikkei newspaper said on Sunday New solar cells could even work at night Idaho Falls, Idaho (UPI) Dec 20, 2010U.S. researchers say they've developed a new kind of solar cell that can generate energy even at night, promising a new form of renewable energy. The key is their ability to harvest infrared radiation as well as visible light, Steven Novack at the U.S. Department of Energy's Idaho National Laboratory in Idaho Falls says. Almost half of the available energy in the spectrum of solar radiation resides in the infrared band, and infrared is re-emitted as heat by the Earth's surface after the sun has gone down, meaning the cells can even capture some energy during the night, he says. Novack estimates a complete system using the new cells would have an overall efficiency of 46 percent, whereas the most efficient current silicon solar cells top out at about 25 percent. Also, currently solar cells can only produce their top output in a narrow range of conditions. For example, if the sun is in the wrong position, sunlight is reflected off a silicone solar cell instead of being absorbed to create energy. The new cells can absorb radiation at a variety of angles, the researchers say. As technology progresses solar will become more attractive. I think the cost will have to come down quite a bit also along with battery cost also. Might even create a new business, solar panel washers. "I hate to advocate the use of drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they always worked for me." - Hunter S. Thompson Ad astra per aspera Nihil curo de ista tua stulta superstitione.
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