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Author | Topic: Information's role in evolution.Should we put it more in the picture? | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Larni Member Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: |
Learning does not transfer to the genes: behaviour does, but not cognition.
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Larni Member Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: |
Yeah, your right.
But allele frequency does change as a result of adaptive behaviour. I guess 'transfer to' was pretty woolly thinking. And I can only really wade up to my knees in the sphere of genetics so I could be talking completely out of my arse.... But zi ko is wrong, lol.
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Larni Member Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: |
Look at them little brains in all them sperm cells. I'll read them some chemistry next time I'm washing them off the back of my hand. Thank you, thank you, I'm here all week.
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Larni Member Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: |
I find it ironic that you task me with not simply making baseless assertions when you baselessly assert that 'recent scientic findings' supports your hypothesis.
You have yet to explain in your own words how watching something not get killed affects allele frequency. Until you do people will laugh and point at you assuming you are thick and slow.
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Larni Member Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: |
No such word as perigenome.
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Larni Member Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: |
You're right.
Please explain in your own words.
This knowledge starts as simple information coming from environment, is modified properly inside neural system,( eg. is being colored by emotion, if t has survival value for organism), and it ends up to genome, in a repeated fashion, where it has permanent effect. I suspect that this coloring is what mainly is transmitted by empathy. I need to take issue with you here as my field is cognitive psychology. Emotion does not 'colour thoughts'. Core beliefs assign valency to thoughts; but not emotion. Empathy is the ability to understand another persons emotional state: nothing more. Edited by Larni, : Psychology bit.
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Larni Member Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: |
The possibility of a non-Darwinian, scientific theory of evolution is virtually never considered. Your Mr Shapiro seems not to have heard of prions, then.
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Larni Member Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: |
The empathy felt allows the organism to understand what the observed organism is going through.
You need to establish that empathy can then go on to affect the alleles. You have yet to do so. Until you can do that (in your own words) you are left pissing in the wind.
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Larni Member Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: |
Establishing or not it is to come from other scientists, other than me surely.This the procedure of falsifiability. Ha ha. You idiot. Edited by Larni, : No reason given.
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Larni Member Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: |
You can call it an idea. But remember it is part of the comprehensive theory of Neuro-genic evolution.(http://www.sleepgadgetabs.com) Objection, m'lud: it's not a theory, it is a unsubstantiated hypothesis, at best. Sustained: the counsel will not refer to an unsubstantiated, at best hypothesis as a theory. Carry on.
My new ideas are the "thinking neural system" and empathy role on evolution. Empathy is atype of information. It follows the same paths as information does. And the same mechanism. No, no, no! Bad crank! You've been told what empathy is by me on this very thread. Wat hing some one smile will not affect your genes. And they are unsubstantiated, sigh. Edited by Larni, : No reason given. Edited by Larni, : No reason given.
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Larni Member Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: |
In Bacteria and multicellular organisms without neural tissue chemicals and systems like genetic engineering and maybe others not known yet stand for neural system This is so much pie in the sky. How can this be even considered empathy? Empathy is a descriptor for a very specific type of cognition. Chemicals? Genetic engineering? Others not yet known?
It does not matter to me if somebody call it a theory or a hypothesis, as it is logical and it is based on observation. Yes it does, and no, it is not. What observations do you have for your idea?
Remember this 'no,no,no.......is adressed to so many epigenesis biologists, Shapiro, Pigliutcci,Weismann, and Darwin himsrelf. Darwin said fuck all about empathy being a causative factor in mutation; in fact none of them did.
As they were explained before byDarwinism and MS. As this is true (I assume you mean NS) there is no gap in our knowledge that requires you idea of empathy powering evolution. You have yet to provide any evidence (in your own words rather than a cut and paste job that does not support your idea). If you don't pony up some evidence I'm done with listening you and you fail to convince yet another person that you idea has any foundation in logic. You don't even have to try to hard with me, I used to beleive that time could stretch - I'm pretty credulous!
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Larni Member Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: |
As i see it in a rational way information ,being the same in one cell and in higher multicellular organisms, basically is anything it comes from environment and innerself that endagers existence, or the opposite of it Shapiro's work on natural genetic engineering systems in bacteria give us an example of how this basic information woks and what the result it can be. None of that has anything to do with empathy.
They had n't said about empathy, but they did about environment's role in evolution. It is all written. Again, nothing to do with empathy. Face it. Empathy has nothing to do with affecting genetics.
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Larni Member Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: |
The environment does effect evolution.
Empathy is not part of the environment: it is an internal process. You seem to be thinking that empathy is some factor akin to social living (which would effect evolution). Please tell me I'm wrong about this.
We know from epigenetics, Shapiro, Wrigt, Weismann and Darwin himself and others, that environment (namely) information has an important role in evolution. I suppose they all know??? the mechanism of how information can act on genome.Can i say that i know more than they? I think you don't understand what they are telling you. Put into your own words what you think Shapiro, Wrigt (sic), Weismann and Darwin himself are telling you. Bet you can't. Edited by Larni, : The wager.
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Larni Member Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: |
So you accept the idea that environment plays a role in evolution. Am i wright? Of course it does. Everybody knows that already, thank you very much. Empathy does not. That was you point; I take issue with that point.
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Larni Member Posts: 4000 From: Liverpool Joined: |
OK. How do you suppose is being done? By information transfer or otherwise?
Now I am confused: how is what being done?
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