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Author | Topic: The Ultimate Question - Why is there something rather than nothing? | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Dr Jack Member Posts: 3514 From: Immigrant in the land of Deutsch Joined: Member Rating: 8.3 |
You got one you've heard somewhere haven't you? Just kick your shoes off, lean back, relax and join us. Lister travelled back in time and sneezed the universe into existence.
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Shield Member (Idle past 2890 days) Posts: 482 Joined: |
But it fits:
Student: Is it true that the foundation of the universe is paradox? Master: Well, yes and no.
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3696 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
quote: Can you have postivie w/o negative? Once we understand there is no ONE in the universe, technically speaking, we will see that nothing and something are post-universe paradigms. There is very deep scientific cadence n this deceptively simple verse: 'MAN AND WOMAN CREATED HE THEM' [Genesis]. Before asking how can anything be created, consider that it is nigh impossible for the first human to be male or female, then find another such life form with the exact reverse gender trait. Here, Genesis is saying the first human was a dual gendered life form, they then seperated to male and female. There is no alternative to this, otherwise it is not possible for an offspring to become male or female: the original host had to contain both attributes. By subsequent example, Genesis is saying 'ALL' things in the universe emerged in a duality, each part specifically attributed to recognize, interact and align with its counter-part according to the directive program embedded in them. This is the deep meaning in Genesis: there is no ONE in the universe. Edited by IamJoseph, : No reason given.
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3696 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
Yes, its a paradox, for both the theologists and the scientiststs equally. We are given the B to Z; the A factor remains elusive and cannot be acquired voluntarilly or via the post-universe sciences and theologies. This is also why no Messiah or enlightened being has yet emerged - his/her job is to reveal the purpose of creation or the universe. We yet do not know WHY, while everything in the universe appears t work in wisdom. And a purposeless universe makes no sense.
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Straggler Member (Idle past 94 days) Posts: 10333 From: London England Joined: |
IAJ writes: And a purposeless universe makes no sense. But how can there be purpose unless there is something capable of intent?
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3696 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
quote: Sorry, that is wrong by a mindless mile. It is ubsurd to see no intentional and purposeful critical passage between H & O = water; water being indispensible for life on earth, and the anticipatory actions listed in Genesis before the advent of life. One can name millions of such examples which cater only to intent and purpose. This ancient deeply thought premise applies: THE DINNER TABLE IS READY FOR THE GUESTS.
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Straggler Member (Idle past 94 days) Posts: 10333 From: London England Joined: |
So - Again - How can there be purpose without something capable of intent?
IAJ writes: THE DINNER TABLE IS READY FOR THE GUESTS. Erm.. OK.
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Black Cat Junior Member (Idle past 4642 days) Posts: 28 From: Canada Joined: |
Thank-you for your kind response Mr. Jack. You're right, I understand my error. bluegenes and Dr. A were trying to explain the same thing to me, but it makes more sense the way you explained it.
The question does seem impossible to answer. The only thing I can think of is that God is eternal, meaning He had no beginning and He has no end. That still doesn't answer the question of why He is there instead of not there, it just means He has always been there. The why seems impossible to answer. Also, thank-you Stile for your polite replies to my posts. Edited by Black Cat, : No reason given.
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Straggler Member (Idle past 94 days) Posts: 10333 From: London England Joined: |
Chuck quoting definitions writes: Purpose is a result, end, mean, aim, or goal of an action intentionally undertaken,[1] or of an object being brought into use or existence, whether or not the purpose was a primary or secondary effect. It is possible that an intentional act may have multiple and hierarchisated purposes, only some of which is primary intentions while the remainder are secondary (or tertiary or more) intentions. How can there be an "end, mean, aim, or goal" unless there is something which has aims, means, goals etc...?
Chuck writes: Without purpose what is there? NOTHING. Which suggests that purpose is itself something. So you have still failed to answer the question posed in this thread.
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Chuck77 Inactive Member |
cavediver writes: We have plenty of evidence of "something". We have no evidence for "nothing". So why would we postulate that before something there was nothing? I have no idea Im just doing my best to sound smart like everyone else here who has no fracking idea how to answer the question Other than that, I think "purpose" is a good option. Edited by Chuck77, : No reason given.
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Straggler Member (Idle past 94 days) Posts: 10333 From: London England Joined: |
Chuck writes: Other than that, I think "purpose" is a good option. But it doesn't answer the question posed. If there is a God he is sitting there asking himself why there is something rather than nothing and failing to answer the question in exactly the same way we are.
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Chuck77 Inactive Member |
Straggler writes: So you have still failed to answer the question posed in this thread. Oh thy great and wise straggles. What is thy take on said nothingness oh ye great one? What shall you dispence on our anxious ears as to why thine is something rather thine nothing oh wise and great leader of nothingness... PURPOSE, is not MATTER, STRAGGLER. Maybe you should ask DrA if he meant something (material) or something( immaterial).
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Chuck77 Inactive Member |
Mr Jack writes: Actually I made no positive assertion either way; I just challenged your assertion. Holy easy batman. Mr Jack, your quite the risk taker. How bout YOU make an assetion and STOP ragging on everyone ELSES assertion to an impossible question. Try not to criticize everyones idea of an answer with " I made no assertion, im just challenging yours" Great. You know, I havn't really wrote a thesis on nothingness you know? I like women, ask me why I like tall blondes and I have no problem answering your challenge I think were all here to give the best answers we got to the impossible question without trying to answer every single persons objection who never bothered to answer it in the first place.
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Straggler Member (Idle past 94 days) Posts: 10333 From: London England Joined: |
Chuck writes: What is thy take on said nothingness oh ye great one? Why there is something rather than nothing is a question that no something will ever be able to answer.
Chuck writes: PURPOSE, is not MATTER, STRAGGLER. Maybe you should ask DrA if he meant something (material) or something( immaterial). I know what Dr A meant coz I have actually read the OP. And by "something" we are talking about anything at all. Immaterial or otherwise. Why is there something rather than literally nothing at all?
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IamJoseph Member (Idle past 3696 days) Posts: 2822 Joined: |
The thing gets easier if one thinks positive and negative, and that both these are post-universe factors. Once there was no light or darkness; hard to imagine, but hey - once there was no imagination either. The buck stops at the second alphabet when we backtrack; the A is barred and elusive and represents the forbidden apple metaphor. There is nothing wrong with the human brain, except its wiring is limited. We cannot even fathom a new color.
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