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RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Hi Purpledawn
Chemo depletes nutrients from the body and you probably can't eat enough to restore those nutrients even if you had an appetite. Here is an unexpected twist discovered in a study done by Eli Lilly. Vitamins to relieve chemotherapy side effects Well then it's a good thing I take Folic Acid and B12 suppliments in addition to a full elderly vitamin pill (last thing I want is some vitamin deficiency due to my funky post treatment "diet"
Fruit juices were my weakness. I haven't had sodas for over 20 years. I think I gave up soda 30 years ago and I've never been keen on the fruit drinks -- I'll go for the V8's if I need something beside coffee.
In the studies he mentioned people couldn't get fat on meat and fats alone. They needed to add carbs. I think the carbs in these studies were fruits and veggies. The South Beach diet says the same thing about insulin cycling. I've pretty much avoided beef for the last 5 years or so (since moving here) and particularly ground beef. I figure all those grwoth hormones and diet supplements to make the beef cows obese is carried to the consumer in at least some small quantities to the same effect on humans (duh?), and the MAD COW disease was the clincher -- evidence of horizontal transfer through diet.
Chemo definitely doesn't help. One of the issues I had with my father's treatment is that they didn't address his nutrition. They just told him to eat what he felt like eating. Well he didn't feel like eating much of anything most times and when he did it was the sweets and processed carbs that he preferred. I think he had difficulty tasting also. Taste and smell, can key nausea, and yes the cruel part for me is that coffee doesn't taste right for a week. Even my pee smells different (and is as noticable as when you eat asparagus). One of the arguments for "Dr Jane" is that it curbs nausea and restores appetite (munchies), but it's gotta be natural My weakness is dark chocolate. Very dark chocolate. Enjoy. by our ability to understand Rebel American Zen Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. • • • Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click) • • •
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Percy Member Posts: 22505 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.4 |
Taubes hypothesis in Good Calories, Bad Calories is that it is carbohydrates rather than fat that is responsible for the diseases of western civilization (heart disease, diabetes and obesity), and evidence supporting his hypothesis continues to grow. This month's Scientific American includes a news note about the gathering evidence. You can find the article on-line at Carbs against Cardio: More Evidence that Refined Carbohydrates, not Fats, Threaten the Heart, but here's how it begins:
Scientific American writes: Eat less saturated fat: that has been the take-home message from the U.S. government for the past 30 years. But while Americans have dutifully reduced the percentage of daily calories from saturated fat since 1970, the obesity rate during that time has more than doubled, diabetes has tripled, and heart disease is still the country’s biggest killer. Now a spate of new research, including a meta-analysis of nearly two dozen studies, suggests a reason why: investigators may have picked the wrong culprit. Processed carbohydrates, which many Americans eat today in place of fat, may increase the risk of obesity, diabetes and heart disease more than fat doesa finding that has serious implications for new dietary guidelines expected this year. Looks like time may finally be running out for the dietary fat hypothesis. --Percy
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Hey Percy, thought I'd give an update.
Taubes hypothesis in Good Calories, Bad Calories is that it is carbohydrates rather than fat that is responsible for the diseases of western civilization (heart disease, diabetes and obesity), and evidence supporting his hypothesis continues to grow. Since my last post on this thread, I cut out three things: (1) sugar of any kind (even substitutes) - especially as it can also fuel cancer cells, (2) starch (no potatoes or beans, etc) except occasional corn (yum on the cob, fresh) (3) wheat (no breads (which often have highfructosecornsyrup as well) which also means no gluten. With this diet I lost 15 lbs fairly quickly, and with that diet and taking up cycling most every day since early aprilish (cycling thread started 07may10 with 100 miles done), I have now lost another 10 lbs, and stand 5'-9" at 190 lbs. The websites on ideal weight show I should lose another 15lbs ... So far most loss has been in the derriere - I'm down several pant sizes and a couple of belt notches, and I could stand to lose more from the belly area. Enjoy. by our ability to understand Rebel American Zen Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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Percy Member Posts: 22505 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.4 |
Hey, good news. Bet it feels good!
My willpower is fighting a loosing battle with a desire for certain foods, but still, I'm not doing too bad. The problem with a low carb diet is boredom due to lack of variety. --Percy
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shalamabobbi Member (Idle past 2879 days) Posts: 397 Joined: |
Might try giving "The China Study"(T. Colin Campbell) a read in conjunction with John Robbin's "The Food Revolution".
I changed my diet to fruits in the morning, raw vegetables or juiced vegetables for lunch and grains(quinoa, hemp seed), nuts, occasional fish in the evening. My weight returned to what it was in high school and I regained mental alertness, no more feeling sleepy, lots of excess energy.
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purpledawn Member (Idle past 3487 days) Posts: 4453 From: Indiana Joined: |
quote:Yes, variety is a problem. Fortunately for me I have rather boring taste buds. The February 2011 Reader's Digest has an article about Taubes in it. He was interviewed concerning his new book Why We Get Fat--and What to Do About It. It's pretty much a condensed version of the Good Carbs Bad Carbs book. I recommended it to my family since they didn't want to take the time to read the big book. I haven't checked out the new book yet. I figured it's just repackaging parts of the Good Carbs Bad Carbs book. Looks like it is at least 250 pages. Nice option for family members who don't want to read much. Easier for quick reference. Edited by purpledawn, : No reason given.
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Asgara Member (Idle past 2332 days) Posts: 1783 From: Wisconsin, USA Joined: |
The new book seems to be geared more towards a layman audience without the heavier science references. I just got done reading it and am now reading "Protein Power Lifeplan" by Drs Michael and Mary D Eades. Also just watched a video from Stanford researcher Christopher Gardner
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purpledawn Member (Idle past 3487 days) Posts: 4453 From: Indiana Joined: |
quote:That's good. I watched the video. I found the part with the insulin resistance interesting. My mother has that problem and when I get her to go lower on carbs her blood sugar improves. Unfortunately then she listens to her dietitian or doctor and they want her on a low fat, high carb; her blood sugar goes up. Then they up her meds. Scary. She has more trouble with her weight on the high carb diet. It would be nice not to have to think so much about our food.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Hi purpledawn
She has more trouble with her weight on the high carb diet. I seem to do better with weight control with low carbs, but I need to get back on board (I've slipped into some breads and -horrors- cookies). I seem to be maintaining my waist, but I feel like I am gaining weight (don't have a scale). Curiously, it seems every time I have something with sugar in it my face (where I still have some swelling and inflammation left over from shingles) lights up with tingling sensations over the whole cheek. Quite distracting and annoying (not painful) as if my body is telling me something I should already know.
I watched the video. I found the part with the insulin resistance interesting. And water and energy loading. I mostly drink coffee, so I don't know how many fewer calories I get when drinking water ... How Many Calories in Coffee?
quote: My lattes are usually half that (8 ounce, one shot) with 1%. No sugar. Tea I drink straight. When cycling I usually drink a lot of water.
It would be nice not to have to think so much about our food Indeed. Enjoy. by our ability to understand Rebel American Zen Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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purpledawn Member (Idle past 3487 days) Posts: 4453 From: Indiana Joined: |
quote:Yep, the holidays got me. Weight started creeping up. My clothes still fit, but for how long. We are starting to work with quinoa. High in protein and good on fiber. Since I'm not much for salads, I don't get enough fiber. Hopefully this will help and not add fat to my body. We shall see in a week or two. I haven't found anything yet that says I can have sugar and not have to exercise. I keep looking though.
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RAZD Member (Idle past 1435 days) Posts: 20714 From: the other end of the sidewalk Joined: |
Hi again purpledawn
Yep, the holidays got me. Weight started creeping up. My clothes still fit, but for how long. I'm still down to my 34" waist pants (from 38-40) but I had been thinking maybe 32's and now the 34's are getting tight.
We are starting to work with quinoa. High in protein and good on fiber. Since I'm not much for salads, I don't get enough fiber. Hopefully this will help and not add fat to my body. We shall see in a week or two. I'm going back to yogurt & fruit for brekky, meat & cheese for lunch and mixed meat and veggies for dinner (fish and stirfrys) If I need a snack I'll go to nuts or fruit, and in evening will make a yogurt "sunday" (so I try to tell myself anyway) with fruit or raisins
I haven't found anything yet that says I can have sugar and not have to exercise. Try a fructose sweet like bosc pears? It tastes sweet but the loading is lower than sugared foods. It also gives you some fiber and is juicy (water content high?) so I feel full after eating one. Enjoy. by our ability to understand Rebel American Zen Deist ... to learn ... to think ... to live ... to laugh ... to share. Join the effort to solve medical problems, AIDS/HIV, Cancer and more with Team EvC! (click)
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molbiogirl Member (Idle past 2672 days) Posts: 1909 From: MO Joined:
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Whole Health Source: The Carbohydrate Hypothesis of Obesity: a Critical Examination
via boingboing
Stephan Guyenet, a neurobiologist who studies the neurobiology of body fat regulation, wrote a long, detailed critique of Gary Taubes' book, Good Calories, Bad Calories on his terrific blog, Whole Health Source. Guyenet writes: Carbohydrate consumption per se is not behind the obesity epidemic. However, once overweight or obesity is established, carbohydrate restriction can aid fat loss in some people. The mechanism by which this occurs is not totally clear, but it has nothing to do with removing the supposed suppressive effect of insulin on fat release from fat cells. You might want to read the whole thing, Percy.This guy picks apart Taubes argument pretty effectively.
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Percy Member Posts: 22505 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.4 |
Hi Molbiogirl,
You're responding to a conversation we were having over three years ago. From what you're saying it sounds like at some point we must have gotten down some rat hole about insulin. Whether Taubes is right or wrong about the underlying mechanisms, the key point is that it is refined carbohydrates that are responsible for the diseases of western civilization, not fat intake. I lost 30 pounds on the low carb diet. The blood tests from my annual physicals always show improved levels of triglycerides and the HDL/LDL ratio. Friends, who I ignored but finally my doctor, said I'd gone too far, so I put 5 pounds back on. But maintaining the lower weight is a pain, you have to continue dieting just to stay in the same place. A low carb diet is very uninteresting, so I go off it many weekends and then return to it during the week. Going up and down a couple pounds every week or two feels like a miniature version of the more long term weight yo-yo that many people go through and may not be healthy, but I hope it's healthier than being 25 pounds overweight. --Percy
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molbiogirl Member (Idle past 2672 days) Posts: 1909 From: MO Joined: |
I noticed a while back that you posted to this thread so when I found the boingboing article, I posted here as well.
Did you read the blog I linked to? Guyenet's arguing the same thing I was 3 years ago. Taubes' science is wrong, Percy. Really wrong. And your weight loss of 30 lbs is not surprising. Cutting carbs leads to lower calorie intake. There is also evidence that cutting carbs suppresses appetite. And your triglycerides/LDLs went down as a result of the weight loss, not the carb thing.
Mayo Clinic writes: Top 5 lifestyle changes to reduce cholesterol 1. Lose weight Carrying some extra pounds even just a few contributes to high cholesterol. So losing as little as 5 to 10 pounds (about 2 to 5 kilograms) can help reduce cholesterol levels. Mayo Clinic writes:
What's the best way to lower triglycerides? Lose weight. If you're overweight, losing 5 to 10 pounds can help lower your triglycerides. Motivate yourself by focusing on the benefits of losing weight, such as more energy and improved health.
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Percy Member Posts: 22505 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 5.4 |
molbiogirl writes: Taubes' science is wrong, Percy. Really wrong. A more complete statement of what I think you're trying to say is that Taubes misinterprets the research he thinks supports his position that it is carbohydrates and not fat that is responsible for the diseases of western civilization (heart disease, obesity and diabetes). The key concern isn't whether Taubes is right or wrong but why we get fat, and more importantly, how to prevent it. The common dietary recommendations of the medical establishment over the past hundred years have a remarkable record of non-success, in my own opinion because they're all what I call "willpower diets." These are diets that work only as long as your willpower holds out. We need medical recommendations that work, or at least explanations that make sense. And above all we need a medical establishment that doesn't blame the victims for their obesity.
And your triglycerides/LDLs went down as a result of the weight loss, not the carb thing. My test results are much better today than they've ever been, better even than when I was younger and lighter than I am now, yet for decades the medical establishment was telling us that low carb diets were unhealthy. Those opposed to low carb diets need to start saying things that actually turn out to be true before their recommendations can be taken seriously. --Percy
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