Tea Party Questions

Typical tea party mentality.You call me an asshole, it's okay.
I return the favor, I should be suspended.Oh, wait, am I "vilifying" you again? Are you go to go cry to an admin."Waaaa! Nuggin is being mean to me! He called me things I called him. How dare he! Punish him for daring to do what I do!"Give me a fucking break. You are a child.

Nope, didn't do that either.Is english your first language?

Welcome to the forum. You can page back up and see what other people have written.Let me give you an example: That would be a DIRECT QUOTE from YOU.Let me give you another example:When YOU wrote: I pointed out that the children are not actually extensions of yourself, but are rather independent American Citizens with all the rights that that implies.Denying a child healthcare because their parent doesn't live up to your standard of "personal responsibility" is denying an American Citizen healthcare for the actions or inactions of another person.You can not expect a 5 year old to be "personally responsible" enough to get a job with health benefits. They are 5 years old.Your reply to this argument: Given that that are NOT a non sequitor, we can only conclude one of two things.A) You don't have a valid argument so you are trying to pretend that children wasn't the topic of your previous post.
or more likely...
B) You don't have the first fucking idea what "non sequitor" means.So, don't get all pissy with me, Barbie. Stop crapping yourself. Stop crying. Be a fucking man and own up to your arguments or admit that you are just pulling this crap out of your ass because, like I pointed out earlier, the Tea Party doesn't know what the hell it stands for.

Yes, doing those things does make people look like assholes. Now, where did I call you an asshole? That's fine, but that doesn't have anything to do with my position, thus the non sequitur. False premise, it *is* a non sequitur. You should be suspended for that too.

You do realize that I _just_ quoted you in the post you are responding it, right?That you specifically said: Show me where in your position you are NOT talking about parents, children and the personal responsibility because from here it sure as shit looks like you are. Omg, change your diaper already.

Oh, I was talking about those things... what I wasn't talking about was denying a child healthcare because their parent doesn't live up to my standard of "personal responsibility". Nor was I saying that an American Citizen's rights should be determined by the whether or not some other American Citizen was responsible or not.Both of those are things you made up to spin my position into a ridiculous one. Par for the course from you, though.

Sigh. Fine, I will hold you hand and walk you through it.The TOPIC of discussion was the crowd cheering a man who dies because he's uninsured.Message 20 - Message 21 - So, the topic is people being held accountable under 'personal responsibility' for things for which they aren't responsible.Following along? If not, scroll up and re-read.Message 23 - Rahvin pipes in So, the topic is now children being held 'personally responsible' for things for which they aren't responsible - in this case the wealth of their parents.Message 25 - YOU REPLY So, the topic is still _children being help personally responsible for things for which they aren't responsible - in this case the wealth of their parents_ and your position is:
-- your children are an extension of yourself, thus they are part of your personal responsibility --At which point, I point out: The topic is STILL - children being held personally responsible for things for which they are not personally responsible.It DOESN'T matter if the parent is responsible for the child. That's not the question. The question is is the child responsible for the parent.You are trying to argue that the parent's lack of personal responsibility is an excuse. It's not.The child is an American Citizen and deserves a certain amount of protection whether or not the parent is wealthy or poor, responsible or irresponsible.Your conclusion to all of this is: "non sequitor"Which means you don't know what "non sequitor" means --or-- perhaps you were bragging that your post was a 'non sequitor'.Either way, you come across like an idiot.

Another word you seem to be having trouble with is "spin".Me presenting your arguments as is is not spin. If you don't want to look ridiculous, stop making ridiculous statements.

Is that 5 year old child mine? No. I provide health care to my children, why can't their parents? They can afford it, they just choose to buy other things instead of paying for healthcare.

First of all, there are a thousand scenarios we can spin demonstrating irresponsible parents OR very responsible parents who've had a string of bad luck.However, it DOESN'T MATTER.The child is a US CITIZEN. They don't have less rights or less value than some other US CITIZEN simply because they had the misfortune of being born to poor parents.We don't deny children school because their parents aren't rich.Yes, the children of rich parents can go to a private school.
The children of rich parents can go to a special medical clinic in France. Fine.That doesn't mean that we deny innocent children medical treatment on the basis of "a lack of personal responsibility" since it wasn't THEIR personal responsibility that put them in this situation.Allowing a 5 year old US citizen to die of some completely treatable medical condition simply because a DIFFERENT US citizen didn't get a college degree is ridiculous and indefensible.

I wanted to pull this out and address it alone.You do realize that health care, being a private for profit system, is not required to take customers.It's not a matter of affording it.If some family has two children and one of the children has gets leukemia, the other child will never have health insurance. The insurers simply won't cover the family at any price."They can afford it" is a ridiculous claim. A family pulling down 50k a year can not find a health insurance policy that will cover them at any cost, let along one they can afford.

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Why should I pay for someone else's healthcare? I can afford my own, they can too. No one is denying health care. They just choose to buy big screen t.v.'s and SUV's instead of healthcare for their children. Where has this happened? Where has a child died of a completely treatable condition because they were denied health care (outside of the parents who thought prayer healing works)?

Again, why should I pay for it? I made my way, they should too. if they can't afford it, get a better job. or a second job.

Well, its been interesting to see you your mind works, but you have not accurately described my position here, and its clear to me that you've misunderstood what I was trying to say.I'll break it down for you a little better later, because I have to get back to work now, but here's all the things I wrote:

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sort of, but equalizing things like the state you were born in levels the playing field. and if you open the umbrella of personal resonsibility to include the parent-child relationship, then the whole thing makes more sense.

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considering your children to be an extension of yourself; the way you raise them, or the way your parents raised you, becomes included in personal responsibility.

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and if those choices are extended beyond the single individual, to include the parent-child relationship, then i can transfer some of that to my own children as i should be able to do. i consider that to be a large part of my "success".

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I was trying to make more sense out of what crash said made none, to which rahvin continued on with because I thought they were zoomed in a little bit too far. The point I was trying to make was the second part, that I should be able to improve my childrens' lives through my own personal responsibility.Futher, well.. shit. I really gotta go back to work... I'd like to explain this further... wait, you know what? Fuck it. I couldn't give any less of a shit about you. I'm not going to waste any more of my time on this.