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Topic: 2004 Summer Olympics
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Straggler
Member (Idle past 94 days) Posts: 10333 From: London England Joined: 09-30-2006
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Message 61 of 109 (670872)
08-20-2012 12:40 PM
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Reply to: Message 60 by Modulous
08-20-2012 12:21 PM
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Re: OK, the 2012 London Olympics are over . . .
Mod writes: I think the human race and human experience would suffer if we decided to cancel the Olympics. I do to. But it could definitely do with some "de-corporitisation" and be made more "for the people" rather than such a massive VIP get-together. But I don't know how we might go about doing that....
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Straggler
Member (Idle past 94 days) Posts: 10333 From: London England Joined: 09-30-2006
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Message 71 of 109 (670937)
08-21-2012 9:10 AM
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Reply to: Message 70 by dronestar
08-21-2012 9:02 AM
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Re: OK, the 2012 London Olympics are over . . .
Link writes: The BBC was forced to reposition cameras in its London 2012 Olympic Park studio, after giving free advertising to controversial official sponsor Dow Chemical in the buildup to Danny Boyle's opening ceremony. BBC production staff had to make the hurried adjustment after a Dow Chemical giant billboard wrap on the outside of the Westfield Stratford shopping centre was clearly visible to viewers through the studio window during the Opening Ceremony Countdown programme on Friday 27 July. They were alerted to the inadvertent gaffe, which breaks the BBC's editorial guidelines, in time to shift the camera positions for the 9am BBC1 Olympics show the following morning, Saturday 28 July. "As soon as we became aware that there was undue prominence for a commercial brand within camera shot, we changed the angle of the camera," said a spokesman for the BBC. Link Drone writes: Can there be 100% separation between an event that is FULLY corporate sponsored and the media which is covering the corporate sponsored event. Probably not. But most broadcasters embrace or exploit the sponsorship angle whereas the BBc often goes to vaguely ridiculous lengths to try and avoid it.
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Straggler
Member (Idle past 94 days) Posts: 10333 From: London England Joined: 09-30-2006
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Message 74 of 109 (670956)
08-21-2012 10:27 AM
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Reply to: Message 73 by dronestar
08-21-2012 9:32 AM
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Re: OK, the 2012 London Olympics are over . . .
The corporate media is constantly campaigning to remove the BBC from broadcasting anything that people actually want to watch. It pisses them off considerably that the BBC does cover such events and that people would rather watch the BBC coverage of such things. For this reason, even if no other, I would retain the BBC coverage of the Olympics. And I agree with Bluegenes regarding corporate sponsorship too..
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Straggler
Member (Idle past 94 days) Posts: 10333 From: London England Joined: 09-30-2006
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Message 77 of 109 (671127)
08-22-2012 12:58 PM
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Reply to: Message 75 by dronestar
08-22-2012 9:53 AM
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Re: OK, the 2012 London Olympics are over . . .
Drone writes: I asked the same question to Straggler but he seemed to have difficulty replying . . . Sorry I missed it.....
Drone writes: How would the human race and human experience suffer if the olympics were canceled? Well the Olympics inspires some people to physical feats that test the limits of the human body. I don't think that is entirely insignificant. But more generally the Olympics serves the cultural purpose that all sport, art, entertainment etc. etc. etc. provides. It's part of what we humans do. If we cancelled ALL sporting events would you agree that human experience would suffer? If so - The Olympics, as a major global sporting event that brings people together more so than most other sporting events, is part of that which adds to human culture and experience. I'm not sure what you are getting at here.....
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Straggler
Member (Idle past 94 days) Posts: 10333 From: London England Joined: 09-30-2006
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Message 86 of 109 (671160)
08-22-2012 5:50 PM
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Reply to: Message 79 by dronestar
08-22-2012 2:03 PM
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Re: OK, the 2012 London Olympics are over . . .
Drone writes: Not as a GLOBAL event. Is there any sporting event that is more global than the Olympics....? I read somewhere that the Olympics had a 4.8 billion global audience. If the Olympics isn't global I am not sure what sporting or culturtal event can possibly claim to be global?
Drone writes: Did you not read the quote in my post about people in war and hunger? Was is too difficult to relate the people in impoverished regions to how the olympics serves them? Serves them? What does serving the impoverished have to do with whether the Olympics is "global" or whether it's cancellation would diminish human cultural experience? I doubt the impoverished of the world are served particularly well by any film, novel, play, sporting event, album etc. etc. etc. But to say that these things cannot enrich human cultural experience because of that is just stupid.....
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Straggler
Member (Idle past 94 days) Posts: 10333 From: London England Joined: 09-30-2006
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Message 87 of 109 (671164)
08-22-2012 6:03 PM
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Reply to: Message 85 by dronestar
08-22-2012 5:18 PM
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Re: OK, the 2012 London Olympics are over . . .
Drone writes: I don't wish ALL sporting events were cancelled. rather, I simply want the olympics to be an ethical/moral event. It is not. Well OK. But denying the Olympics has any cultural enrichment value and calling for it to be cancelled rather than suggesting how it can be changed to retain the positive aspects and reduce/eliminate the negative ones is a poor method of argument on your part. I doubt either I or Mod would claim that the Olympics as is cannot be improved. But cancelling it altogether (as you have been suggesting) is just throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
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Straggler
Member (Idle past 94 days) Posts: 10333 From: London England Joined: 09-30-2006
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Message 98 of 109 (671371)
08-24-2012 3:09 PM
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Reply to: Message 95 by dronestar
08-24-2012 10:14 AM
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Re: 8Re: OK, the 2012 London Olympics are over . . .
Do you still think we should cancel the Olympics? Do you think any other sporting/cultural events should also be cancelled because they don't "server the impoverished"....?
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Straggler
Member (Idle past 94 days) Posts: 10333 From: London England Joined: 09-30-2006
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Re: 8Re: OK, the 2012 London Olympics are over . . .
Drone writes: If only you had asked me why I want the american embassy in Iraq removed. Well I could ask you that. And I suspect you and I would aree on much of your answer. But that has little, if anything, to do with whether we should cancel the Olympics or not.
Drone writes: Very droll Straggler, very droll. Without any intention of "drollness" (well any more than I ever intend) I ask again: Do you still think we should cancel the Olympics? Do you think any other sporting/cultural events should also be cancelled because they don't "serve the impoverished"....?
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Straggler
Member (Idle past 94 days) Posts: 10333 From: London England Joined: 09-30-2006
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Re: a waste of money
Drone writes: As a British citizen, were the costs, as identified in my original post (I understand you didn't accept them all), of hosting the 2012 olympics worth it? I am curious, this question is not just for Mod. Hmmm. Overall - Given the current state of the economy and whatnot - Probably not. Many (politicians in particular) talk about the huge amount of income that will occur as an indirect result of the Olympics. They argue it was a giant advertisement "to invest in Britain" etc. etc. etc. Past Olympics don't justify this as far as I can see and I am deeply skeptical about such claims. But That isn't to say that the whole thing was a complete waste of money. Just that, all things considered, it isn't "worth" the end cost in my view. But I wouldn't cancel the Olympics. I think you should read some Simon Jenkins. You and he seem to have many views in common. For example....
Simon Jenkins writes: "London will not recover the cost of the Olympics and may as well forget it. Having spent the money we should at least lie back and enjoy it. But we should stop pretending. The real victims of London's mind-numbing mendacity will be the poor and hapless citizens of Rio in 2016. They really cannot afford it."
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