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onifre Member (Idle past 2982 days) Posts: 4854 From: Dark Side of the Moon Joined: |
This country is filled with self-serving idiots and they'll swallow anything this sociopath will say. Well since only about 67% of Americans are registered to vote and only 55% - 65% of that turns out to vote (numbers are probably lower than that) I'd say a good percentage of Americans understand how non-effective or impactful a president actually is. - Oni Edited by onifre, : No reason given.
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onifre Member (Idle past 2982 days) Posts: 4854 From: Dark Side of the Moon Joined:
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Shouldn't you go back to Mexico or whichever latin american country you came from since you don't like our political process so much? - Oni
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onifre Member (Idle past 2982 days) Posts: 4854 From: Dark Side of the Moon Joined: |
Onifre, I think some people have reached the conclusion that a president is not impactful, but I think you are also engaging in a bit of projection. Perhaps, but the numbers I quoted show at the very least not much care for the political process. And if I am projecting, it's based on the evidence I've seen in my few years of life where I've seen little to no change everytime there's a new president. We can surely say changes have been made in America, but they have ALWAYS started at the state level then eventually influenced the president. Civil rights, womens lib, gay marrigae, legalized medicinal marijuana, gun control, have all been state issues before any presdient has taking it to task to try and fix things. And in some cases, like gay marriage, there has been little change. Voting for a president seems pointless. Voting for state reps on the other hands is very effective. - Oni Edited by onifre, : No reason given.
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onifre Member (Idle past 2982 days) Posts: 4854 From: Dark Side of the Moon Joined:
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I know what I said was politically incorrect, but if he dislikes our system so much, why is he even here? Well one reason is that I was born here in the US. Not every spanish speaking person is an immigrant you know. Also I served in the military, have children here, pay taxes, worked for a union as an electrician for 10 years and I'm a registered voter. I can dislike the system all I fucking want.
My question is why do comedians get a free pass for being assholes and yet the moment I made a politically incorrect joke I get a shitload of negatives?
Free pass? Poor Gilbert Gottfried is out of a job from Aflac just for a tweet! Tracy Morgan got shit on for a joke he did and had to apologize. And me, I get a shitload of Jeers everytime I call crashfrog a cunt. There are no free passes for comics dude. Now, make sure you get your ass to a gym fatty and stop worrying about comedians. It's no wonder you're so grotesque. - Oni
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onifre Member (Idle past 2982 days) Posts: 4854 From: Dark Side of the Moon Joined:
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He says he's a comedian. You called me a comedian. Now it's I say I'm a comedian? I don't like where this is going...
He's made jabs at me many times thinking they were funny but I never thought they were funny. Never? Now you're just being mean.
This is between me and that latino comedian. ...between that latino comedian and I. - Oni
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onifre Member (Idle past 2982 days) Posts: 4854 From: Dark Side of the Moon Joined:
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Try again. The Grammar Nazis of the world are waiting......... I honestly have no clue. Grammer and I are not friends...wait, grammAr and I...and me. Shit! - Oni
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onifre Member (Idle past 2982 days) Posts: 4854 From: Dark Side of the Moon Joined: |
Where a majority of people actually benefit from having a 'majority rules' system. When there are so many large and diverse groups, it becomes possible to enact policies that actually favor none of them; or worse, it becomes easier to enact policies that only favor the most powerful of them, regardless of their actual representation in the group. Well we've had the civil rights movement, and the anti-discrimination laws. That's seemed to work due to majority rule. If we go back far enough we see many cases where this was the case. Freedoms have become too diverse now perhaps, and there's still a lot of catching up to do. But it does seem like overall progress has been made and it's been mostly due to majority rule, or rather the eventual lead up to majority rule. - Oni
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onifre Member (Idle past 2982 days) Posts: 4854 From: Dark Side of the Moon Joined:
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High taxes does stifle newer business development and if you can promote that kind of growth then you can get more jobs n'stuff. Don't buy into that bullshit. Taxes have only gone up since they were introduced into the system and businesses have grown enormously. Higher taxes has never ever in history stifled new business. - Oni Edited by onifre, : No reason given.
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onifre Member (Idle past 2982 days) Posts: 4854 From: Dark Side of the Moon Joined: |
I'm saying that a reduction in these taxes could help small to medium sized business grow by reducing their cost to operate. Well first, that cost is usually absorbed by the customer. But more to the point, in all of our history businesses have found a way to work with the tax system in place. Small and medium size businesses have always had the same chance to "grow" and "make it" as always. To say THIS is a time when taxes need to be lowered so that small/medium businesses can grow doesn't make a valid point. I'd worry more about job growth that increases people's spending potential than taxes. The more money people are making the more they spend. In that sense, the more the unemployment numbers keep dropping the better it really is for ALL businesses. - Oni
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onifre Member (Idle past 2982 days) Posts: 4854 From: Dark Side of the Moon Joined: |
I'll definitely concede that there is a ways to go before convincing the majority on many issues such as homosexuality. I also agree that you can certainly point to other issues where the same is occuring. But lets give credit where it is due.
Civil rights have had to go through the court system against popular public opinion before becoming endorsed by the majority. But it was endorced by the majority. In fact, those opposed to ending segregation were in the absolute minority. So much so that the military was sent into the south to take action against this small minority of racist that tried their best to hold on to their views. Had it not been for a strong majority push the south may not have ended segregation for who knows how long, if ever at all.
The pattern is that the courts force the majority to bend knee...and the forced equal treatment, over a generation or two, causes a greater social integration whereby the newer generations have grown up thinking that equality is the natural order (which it should have been all along), and become the majority as their bigot elders die off. You're only stating a natural human response to culture clashes. It wasn't just held for blacks or what you're calling "minorities". Many European cultures were not well received in the US when they first arrived. Forcing them to live together brought the worst in people, but then lead up to the eventual acceptance of those immigrants. It's happened for everyone, "minorities" are not special in that sense. - Oni Edited by onifre, : No reason given.
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onifre Member (Idle past 2982 days) Posts: 4854 From: Dark Side of the Moon Joined: |
m asking because this challenges my existing understanding of popular opinion at that time, and that keeping races segregated was not something the majority endorsed. I guess I'm having trouble with what you're calling a majority rule and what I'm thinking about. I may be wrong but, if the Supreme Court of the US and the president of the US are in favor of integration, isn't that in the political democratic sense the majority? I wasn't talking about each individual opinion, as widely different as that may be. I'm talking about court rulings and political majority rule. I think you're refering to majority opinion at the individual level. Being that there is no one particular culture or ethnicity ever truly in charge of the whole US - Go to Miami and white people are not in the majority. Here in NY either, and I'm sure in many parts of the US latinos and blacks are the major majority - There's no point in distinguishing "majorities" by their color or ethnicity. If we're talking about the overall government, I guess we can still says "whites" are the majority, but then once we start with sub-catagories as you've pointed out we don't really have a majority of any one particular white culture.
Indeed...but the fact that it is "natural" does not make it ethically acceptable. The pack will always instinctively try to identify and exclude the "other," but if establishing a just and fair society is actually as important to us as we collectively tend to say that it is, there is no place for acting upon that instinct. There is no way to stop normal human behavior in the same sense as abstinance only programs don't stop teenagers from fucking. Everyone segregates everyone for a while when the new culture is introduced to the old culture. I see it here in NY where white hipsters are moving into black neighborhoods. There is an initial culture clash, then an inevitable acceptance. People seem to always behave the same as far as I've seen. - Oni Edited by onifre, : No reason given.
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onifre Member (Idle past 2982 days) Posts: 4854 From: Dark Side of the Moon Joined: |
You underestimate the stupidity and ignorance of a lot of people. Not only do people actually think he's a Muslim, they also think that it matters. I've had discussions with people like this. They really do believe it. Yeah people forget that country folk and those in rural areas have those very beliefs. I've spoken to plenty of people like that after shows, because they buy me beers and give me drugs, but then go on a rant about Obama and Islam, and the take over of our nation, and even those who kinda entertain the belief that he's the anti-christ, etc. Great people to talk to, not gonna lie. It fascinates me when people are that out-there and truy believe it. - Oni
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onifre Member (Idle past 2982 days) Posts: 4854 From: Dark Side of the Moon Joined: |
A black man calling a rich white man a liar. In a racist country like this, it would be political suicide. You think it would be political suicide in the swing states? It's the only place is relevant is with the swing states. I think it may actually help him being up front about Romney's lies. - Oni
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onifre Member (Idle past 2982 days) Posts: 4854 From: Dark Side of the Moon Joined: |
Yeah a small town I'd call rural, but it also depend too. What state it's in mostly. A small town in California might be wine country where ex-professors live out their life long dreams of making wine. But a small town in Alabama might be a place to never ever drive into, through or over if you're last name is hispanic or your skin too dark. Places where Aziz Ansari is the same as Osama Bin Laden.
Hell, I'm even related to a couple of them. I come from a cuban family, I know all too well what it's like to be around Romney supporters. It's never a rational choice for them to support Romney, it's always about some crazy FoxNews story that they believe. - Oni
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