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Is it mysterious to you that YOU are the only one harping on privilege while me and Rahvin are talking about racism? Does that strike you as the least bit odd?

So this is the difference, right here. You think it's only racism or sexism if someone is offended.Words have definitions and this conversation hasn't even gotten past you not knowing that racism is racism regardless if someone is offended or not. For example: if I tell Oni to go eat a taco, it IS RACIST but he likely won't get offended. Hell, it's not even accurate since he's Cuban, but it's still racist. It is NOT, however, racial privilege. Its is simply racism. RACISM, NOT RACIAL PRIVILEGE. You are just too much of a honky to understand racism. You are so wrapped up in cracker land that the only racism you know is what you read in your college textbooks.I will repeat that again: words have meanings and accepted uses. You don't understand the accepted usage of the word racism, therefor discussion about the subject with you is pointless.Edited by hooah212002, : No reason given.Edited by hooah212002, : No reason given.

No, crashfrog, RACISM. Plain old racism. The kind of racism where the black guy thinks white people can't dance or that asians are good at math or that Oni loves tacos. Plain old fucking racism. Are you seriously saying MTV is a white equivalent to BET? You have no idea what racism is..... so much so that you are racist as fuck.

BECAUSE I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT BEING OFFENDED. I AM TALKING ABOUT DEFINITIONS OF WORDS. Whether something is offensive or not doesn't change the fact that an action falls into the definition of a word. What "privilege free model" are you fucking talking about? You will notice that my "model" is one that the nigger that calls Jackie Chan a slant eye gook is just as racist as the wetback that calls him a nigger. but you'll have us believe that I am the only racist in that scenario because I am more "privileged" than all of them.

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Sociologists Nol A. Cazenave and Darlene Alvarez Maddern define racism as ...a highly organized system of 'race'-based group privilege that operates at every level of society and is held together by a sophisticated ideology of color/'race' supremacy.

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Really grasping now aren't ya?

Where, oh fucking where, did I say that on average, White America was equally as subject to racism as black america? Go back and read what I said. I have said OVER AND OVER that racism is racism is racism. I did not say that white people see just as much racism as other races and felt the same effects.No. I said that racism is not dependent on race to be qualified as racism. Black people can be just as racist as white people. It's about seeking equality, something you will never be able to do if you think it's a-ok to be racist as long as you aren't white.Edited by hooah212002, : No reason given.

It's not hard to actually find the real definition of a word. We are on the internet, you know. So now you are going to misrepresent MY position? Where did I say that racism has NOTHING to do with privilege?Does racism sometimes have stuff to do with privilege? Sometimes.Is racism wholly dependent on privilege, thus making it NOT racism when the underprivileged commit acts of racism? No (you see that? THAT is my position. You would do well to argue against my position and not one you make up for me). Widespread? So widespread that your definition isn't even the first 2 that come up. The feeling is mutual.

How does your head not explode from the cognitive dissonance? Just so we are clear: you are saying it's only racism if someone is offended?You are saying that it is NOT racism if a black person makes a judgement on a white man based on his being a white man ("I bet you can't dance and like country because you are white"). That is not racist, right?Edited by hooah212002, : No reason given.

So, by craqshfrog's definition of his own usage of the term "racist", black people that make judgements against white people based on their skin color ("don't pick that cracker for the basketball team, he can't play ball cuz he's white") are not racist at all?

Jesus fuck crash. I already told you the two are not synonymous. We just wasted a whole lot of bandwidth. Wow. You live in a white community, don't you? Have you ever seen a black person in real life? That is not why white people typically don't say nigger (I won't say can't because they can). Go say nigger in the presence of a group of black guys and then tell me who has the privilege. The only privilege you'll have is the privilege of getting your ass beat. The same as if a mexican goes into a group of chinese guys and makes slanty eyes and says "ching chong chang".But you know what? Plenty of white guys Do say nigger around their black friends. Eminem even says it on a number of songs. Holy shit crash. Motherfucking WHITE PRIDE!!!! WHITE PRIDE!!!! Where I come from, racism is judging someone based on the color of their skin.Edited by hooah212002, : No reason given.

Oh, that white kid? Yea, his dad is black. He just looks more white than black. Is it still not racist?

You're right. Everyone else around you is wrong, but you're still right.

Except that I am technically not. Is it racism to deny someone employment based on a disability? No? isn't that discrimination? If the two terms were, in fact, synonymous, it would actually be racism to deny someone employment based on disability. But since racism is not the same as discrimination, denying someone employment based on a disability is not racism.What IS racism, though, is any act of judging someone based merely on their skin color. The group of black guys who ask the Asian kid to help with their math homework just because he is Asian? That's racism. The Asian guy who sees the Mexican at the store and assumes he's the janitor? That's racism. The white dude that sees the white guy at the club and assumes he won't dance because we all know white guys don't dance? That's racism. The black woman who is walking down the street, then crosses to the other side of the street when she sees a group of black youths coming her way? That's racism.Surely you can see that these are all racist moments? You made very clear that you disagree. However, whether two words are actually synonyms really isn't up for debate when those two words don't actually mean the same thing and are not totally interchangeable. Actually, it does. Judging someone based on their race or skin color is exactly what racism is. Racism isn't just what bigotted white people do to black people. It does actually go both ways (and sideways and backwards). Pretty sure it makes you the racist since you jumped on that one. You are the one who made the connection that they are violent because they are black. if you weren't a racist, you would see that I meant they would be violent against you because you used a racial slur against them. Just like a group of redneck white boys would whip your yankee ass if you went up to a group of them and called them stupid rednecks. The funny thing about words? They don't inherently carry any value. The word nigger isn't in itself derogatory. It really depends on how it is used. The word nigger exists and just because I type it does not make me a racist.And "slanty eyes" was an adjective I used for the motion the character in my example was using. Get your racist slurs straight. You'll notice I called them gooks.

Could someone explain how it promotes equality to only consider white people as able to be racist? Or only consider men as able to be sexist? IMO, the racist label is a pretty strong one, but if other races get a "free pass" so to speak, and are free from that label no matter how they act, how is that advancing equality?This thread has me ready to chop my cock off and put on black face.

Oh please point out where I have proven myself to be a liar.Has your account been hacked by one of EvC's infamous crazy creationists? The one who thinks everyone hates them? This is a discussion board, a debate site. I am disagreeing with you. I think you are wrong. That's kinda what we are supposed to do here. If I had a personal vendetta against you, I'd call you more names or something. Maybe post personal information of yours and have pizzas sent to your house. Nope. You seem to be the only one losing her shit. Funny thing about that? Yep, I usually agree with most everything you post. Same with Rahvin. That kinda happens with liberal atheists. You just seem to be a bit more liberal/PC about the subjects contained in this thread, that's all. When you've proven to me that my position is as wrong as I think yours is, perhaps I will. The problem is: you have taken my position and lambasted it, twisting it into something I am not even talking about, so the likelihood of you changing my mind is very low.

Let's try this again because maybe we've not been clear enough.That is not the only thing racism is. Discrimination based on race falls more into the category of discrimination than it does the category of racism. This has been my position the whole time. You seem to think that all racism is is "discrimination on the basis of race" to the point that you have identified actual racist examples as not being racist.I'll ask again: is it racism to deny someone a job based on a disability?If the answer is no, then you admit that racism and discrimination are not synonymous.If you say yes, then you are wrong.It is a simple yes/no question. No need to go into a great long explanation how disabled persons are more privileged because they get handicapped stickers or their handicap sticker makes them unable to be racist. Yes or no.Edited by hooah212002, : No reason given.Edited by hooah212002, : No reason given.